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[J-bomb]

Haven't read the whole thread, and I don't have full knowledge of the upcoming QB class, but there's something I've been thinking about a lot...

The backup QB. The Kirk Cousins pick was debated, and many of us felt it was a good idea to have a 'home grown' backup. But, with the success of our offense, I'm starting to think it might be a good idea to have a backup that doesn't force Kyle to change the playbook. A QB who can pull off the zone reads, etc. Think about it, if Cousins comes in, I doubt there's any QB draws unless it's deep in the red zone. Kyle would probably be hesitant to run as many PA boots and such with a guy who is a 'pocket passer'. Our strength isn't JUST RG3, it's the offense itself, it's hard to predict, and hard to plan against.
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As far as I know, there's plenty of college QBs who run a system like RG3 did at Baylor. They're all turned down because, frankly, they're not as awesome/accurate/ALSO capable of pocket passing as RG3. That's why RG3 is so special. Also consider how strong Alfred Morris has been, and Shanny's zone blocking has proved to work. This should mean receivers are getting wide open regardless of who the QB is, to some extent. If anything makes things easier for that "college style athlete QB who doesn't belong in the NFL", it's our offense. Again, I don't know enough names, besides that Geno guy (and that aint happening), but I believe we've invented an offense that hasn't really been seen before and it might be just the thing for a guy who is otherwise not drafted.

I know people will **** bricks if we draft another QB, but this is important. Let's be realistic, if RG3 has to sit and heal, we are a COMPLETELY different offense. It may be worth a shot to get another 'athlete' QB, a "baby RG3" so to speak. Cousins was drafted because Shanny really liked him and we had nothing else at QB. That was before the coaches saw how successful this style of offense can be. With what we know now, putting Cousins out there is essentially 'starting over', seeing how things work with an offense that's closer to traditional, and in that unfortunate event, I wouldn't have much faith in the 'Cousins offense'. In that case for most teams, the defense is asked to step up, but obviously that isn't our strong point.

So, with that in mind, and with a little imagination, do you guys who know your college players know of any QBs who might fit this criteria? Or perhaps FAs? I almost feel like saying Terrelle Pryor....don't shoot me.

instead of drafting a qb we should just sign Josh Johnson to be Rg3 backup, he would be cheap an we wouldn't have to change our O scheme.

[DC9]

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Tyrann Mathieu entering 2013 NFL draft http://wp.me/p14QSB-6yZe

[darrelgreenie]

Cofield is doing a great job. I don't get the "true NT" talk. Cofield is not getting pushed back. The Skins are 3rd in the league against the rush.

I disagree with skinzwiz that we should be a 43 defense. But I think you're getting carried away when you say Cofield is doing a great job at NT. I've said before that I've seen Cofield getting pushed back and that he doesn't hold his ground with ease of a natural NT. (and I don't mean because of his size I could care less about size) Imo Cofield is a DE playing out of position at NT but doing a passable job. I think Jenkins could match Cofield's production at NT while Cofield would updrade Jenkins pass rush ability at DE.

While it may be true that statistically the defense is 3rd in the league against the rush I don't think they're anywhere close to actually being the 3rd best in league stopping the run for reason I've laid out before.

Anyway don't take my word for it take a look at his from PFF:
Sig Stats Snapshot: Run Stop Percentage, DTs
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ercentage-dts/

Cofield is in the bottom 20; ranked 68th.

[Samuels]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCBC...e_gdata_player


Even his freshman highlights are sick. I missed watching him this year. He will be a weapon his hips and start,stop ability is insane. Great blitzer,great playmaker,good tackler and a hellva returner. A flatout versatile weapon especially in a exotic 34 utilizing his blitzing.

[maskedsuperstar]

I disagree with skinzwiz that we should be a 43 defense. But I think you're getting carried away when you say Cofield is doing a great job at NT. I've said before that I've seen Cofield getting pushed back and that he doesn't hold his ground with ease of a natural NT. (and I don't mean because of his size I could care less about size) Imo Cofield is a DE playing out of position at NT but doing a passable job. I think Jenkins could match Cofield's production at NT while Cofield would updrade Jenkins pass rush ability at DE.

While it may be true that statistically the defense is 3rd in the league against the rush I don't think they're anywhere close to actually being the 3rd best in league stopping the run for reason I've laid out before.

Anyway don't take my word for it take a look at his from PFF:
Sig Stats Snapshot: Run Stop Percentage, DTs
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ercentage-dts/

Cofield is in the bottom 20; ranked 68th.

3rd in the league

[amm0409]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk
Tyrann Mathieu entering 2013 NFL draft http://wp.me/p14QSB-6yZe

I saw this too, I wonder where he goes in the draft?

[Samuels]

I saw this too, I wonder where he goes in the draft?

If he runs a sub 4.6 40 he will go in the top 120 to much game changing ability.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

Ray Lewis had terrible supporting casts in some of those down years between the SB win and now. Guys like McAllister and Boulware would get old or hurt, and they always had cap problems which kept them from retaining talent. Yet their defense was always top 10.

The great LBs didnt do it alone but they were the glue that held the defense together.

He always had good to great guys in front of him.

Kelly Gregg from 2000-2010.
Haloti Ngata from 2006-now
Trevor Pryce from 2006-2010
Terrell Suggs from 2003-now
Anthony Weaver had a good couple year stretch with them, he was drafted in '02 or so.
Adalius Thomas from 2002-2006

[skinzwiz]

I disagree. Orakpo hasn't played DE since college, went to two Probowls his first two years as a linebacker, and Kerrigan looks like a completely natural linebacker. I've seen a lot of people say this on ES but it's simply not supported by anything that's actually happened on the field the last few years.

Also, who is the standout NT for Pittsburgh and Houston and San Diego? Is Casey Hampton still a standout NT? I don't think so. Here from PFF from weak 9:

Hampton has been downright awful this year. He's completely washed up now.

Old fashioned 3-4 NTs in general are having less of an impact than ever. Cofield is more than adequate.

I don't understand how this doesn't prove my point. In years part when Hampton was in his prime, Pittsburgh's defense was a lot better. This year they are very vulnerable because the line isn't getting it done.

The Packers had Rank when they won the superbowl. The patriots had wilfork. The Steelers had Hampton in his prime. You can not tell me a great NT doesn't make a big impact. People fall in love with skill positions, but the games are won at the line of scrimmage. If your NT can't demand a double team and rerout offensive lineman, the defensive ends and linebackers have to work so Lu h harder to make plays.

[maskedsuperstar]

Markus Wheaton, WR, SR, OSU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEfNoK4BsVs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIs0pFOkR74


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrSd7wOILoE


Jordan Kovacs, SR, S, Michigan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EQIF3ocr54

[Dukes and Skins]

If he runs a sub 4.6 40 he will go in the top 120 to much game changing ability.

I still have him in the 6th round. talented no question, but just wonder whats going on in his head still

[Alcoholic Zebra]

I disagree with skinzwiz that we should be a 43 defense. But I think you're getting carried away when you say Cofield is doing a great job at NT. I've said before that I've seen Cofield getting pushed back and that he doesn't hold his ground with ease of a natural NT. (and I don't mean because of his size I could care less about size) Imo Cofield is a DE playing out of position at NT but doing a passable job. I think Jenkins could match Cofield's production at NT while Cofield would updrade Jenkins pass rush ability at DE.

Anyway don't take my word for it take a look at his from PFF:
Sig Stats Snapshot: Run Stop Percentage, DTs
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ercentage-dts/

Cofield is in the bottom 20; ranked 68th.

First, Cofield has played far better in the past couple of games than people realize. Even PFF has been saying that.

Second, dude, that article isn't implying what you think it is, read the paragraphs above the charts. Guys around Cofield are Casey Hampton and Gerald McCoy. It's all about scheme, and what they're supposed to do.

Run Stop Percentage vs. PFF Run Grade

Even though Run Stop Percentage is probably the most indicative statistic of performance against the run, it doesn’t always equal the PFF run grade. There are a couple of reasons for this. The first reason is that a play can be impacted without making a tackle. Gerald McCoy is a player this can be said about. His run grade is sixth among defensive tackles yet he has only made 10 stops and is 80th in Run Stop Percentage. He routinely holds the point of attack, though, and rarely gives up running lanes.

The second reason is that good run defense isn’t always about making plays, sometimes it is about not giving up plays. The best example of this is probably Henry Melton. He has the second-highest Run Stop Percentage yet a negative PFF run grade. Melton loves to get upfield and is fantastic at it. This shows through in his pass rushing and run stop statistics. He loves to get upfield so much that he’ll sometimes get pushed easily out of a hole, which is a no-no.

Barry Cofield Dominating

With injuries crippling the Eagles’ offensive line, it was a given that at least someone on the Redskins’ defensive line could shine in this contest and Barry Cofield (+5.5) did just that. The former defensive end-turned-nose tackle made life miserable for RG Jake Scott and C Dallas Reynolds on this day. He beat Reynolds for three QB hits (one which won’t show up on the stat sheet because of an offensive holding penalty on the play) and forced Scott to concede two hurries and commit holding on another play. Though Scott, with initial help from Reynolds, did put him on the ground on a 9-yard LeSean McCoy run (9:51 in the second quarter), the former Giant was also a force against the ground game. One example is with 8:45 left in the second quarter he neutralized Scott’s attempted cut block and then shrugged off RT Daniel Kelly to get down the line and tackle McCoy for a 2-yard gain on 2nd-and-10. He didn’t even always need to make the tackle himself, as happened with 10:59 left in the third quarter where he pushed Reynolds (despite initial help from Scott) into the backfield, slowing Shady down enough to give Ryan Kerrigan time to make a tackle for a 6-yard loss. On top of all that, he also forced a McCoy fumble that led to a field goal.

Defensive Front 3-4

Defensive Line: Barry Cofield, WAS (+5.5), J.J. Watt, HST (+6.7) and Justin Smith, SF (+6.3)

There are times when you watch Cofield and just can’t help but be impressed. He destroyed young center Dallas Reynolds whether the Eagles ran or passed the ball.

Defensive Front 3-4

Defensive Line: Barry Cofield, WAS (+3.7), J.J. Watt, HST (+8.9) and Antonio Smith, HST (+6.1)

At times Cofield has struggled as a nose tackle, but he’s enjoying himself at the moment and is really starting to pick up some pressure. He managed three hits and two hurries of Tony Romo on Thanksgiving.

The fact is, Cofield has played great for us these past two weeks against division opponents. Ever since the BYE, our defense has actually been better than what we're accustomed to.

While it may be true that statistically the defense is 3rd in the league against the rush I don't think they're anywhere close to actually being the 3rd best in league stopping the run for reason I've laid out before.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

So we're not 3rd. But Football Outsiders has our d-line ranked 11th against the run.

For total run defense, we're easily above average, here's Football Outsiders for all 11 of our defenders against the run.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef2012

If we go by basic stats, we're tied for 11th in rushing TD's allowed and yards per carry allowed.

---------- Post added November-29th-2012 at 11:48 AM ----------

I don't understand how this doesn't prove my point. In years part when Hampton was in his prime, Pittsburgh's defense was a lot better. This year they are very vulnerable because the line isn't getting it done.

Troy Polomalu has missed 9 games already this season. Their youngsters Hayward and Hood, who they hoped would replace Smith and Kiesel, haven't really stepped up. James Harrison has missed a few games. Woodley has. Ryan Clark missed his usual Denver game. They've had some big injuries to their defense.

[Dukes and Skins]

I have a feeling the Mathieu debate will be closer to the Gabbert debates from 2 years ago on here

[maskedsuperstar]

First, Cofield has played far better in the past couple of games than people realize. Even PFF has been saying that.

Second, dude, that article isn't implying what you think it is, read the paragraphs above the charts. Guys around Cofield are Casey Hampton and Gerald McCoy. It's all about scheme, and what they're supposed to do.







The fact is, Cofield has played great for us these past two weeks against division opponents. Ever since the BYE, our defense has actually been better than what we're accustomed to.



http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

So we're not 3rd. But Football Outsiders has our d-line ranked 11th against the run.

For total run defense, we're easily above average, here's Football Outsiders for all 11 of our defenders against the run.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef2012

If we go by basic stats, we're tied for 11th in rushing TD's allowed and yards per carry allowed.

---------- Post added November-29th-2012 at 11:48 AM ----------



Troy Polomalu has missed 9 games already this season. Their youngsters Hayward and Hood, who they hoped would replace Smith and Kiesel, haven't really stepped up. James Harrison has missed a few games. Woodley has. Ryan Clark missed his usual Denver game. They've had some big injuries to their defense.

ESPN has the Skins 3rd. Just saying

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/te...sition/defense

---------- Post added November-29th-2012 at 11:59 AM ----------

NT

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013NT.php

Some think the Skins need a "TRUE NT". This is the list. I think the Skins are fine.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

ESPN has the Skins 3rd. Just saying

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/te...sition/defense

I saw that, but you can't by any means just use Rushing Yards Allowed as your sole metric for run defense. We have far fewer attempts because teams want to and need to throw all day against us. The reality is that our Run D is above average, somewhere in the 10th-13th in the league range.