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[CoolHandLuke]

In regards to whether we should keep Tyler Polumbus/Lichtensteiger.. Of course we should. Even though we have younger players that might eventually outplay them, you want to keep them as insurance. Not to mention they increase the competition in that spot, which is what I want at every spot! You can eventually phase them out when you have enough depth/experience at said position.

I know you guys would bash me for this but I really like Ed Reed in our secondary next year. He's a FA and is a ball hawk back there. I know he's over 30 but and is oft injured but our secondary would be vastly improved with him and then we could add some young players back there with him.

First of all no one should ever be trashed here for simply expressing their opinion. Second of all I agree with you, but with a BIG TWIST! I think Ed Reed should come to DC as a DB's COACH, however, if he can play for a couple of years and give the players an idea of what he wants, then even better! I just posted this in another thread: http://www.extremeskins.com/showthre...=1#post9295126

As far was whether it will work or not, It will definitely work! It's just a matter of whether Baltimore is smart enough to take him before us!

[stevemcqueen1]

Just read this on PFF about Deangelo Hall: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...skins-week-13/

In the past two games he has held receivers to a total of 48 yards from 12 combined targets and had an interception in each game.

It's talking about how he's started covering the slot.

Perhaps he's found his niche. I know a lot of us thought he could be valuable shifting to a slot/safety hybrid role and judging from his play the last two weeks, it's a good fit.

I think the secondary could make great strides from getting a safety and an outside corner.

A healthy Merriweather and a Vacarro or Elam draft pick and perhaps a flier on Aqib Talib could give us a unit with a lot of potential. Perhaps turn transform the secondary into a legit strength.

[Laron Burgundy]

Just read this on PFF about Deangelo Hall: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...skins-week-13/



It's talking about how he's started covering the slot.

Perhaps he's found his niche. I know a lot of us thought he could be valuable shifting to a slot/safety hybrid role and judging from his play the last two weeks, it's a good fit.

I think the secondary could make great strides from getting a safety and an outside corner.

A healthy Merriweather and a Vacarro or Elam draft pick and perhaps a flier on Aqib Talib could give us a unit with a lot of potential. Perhaps turn transform the secondary into a legit strength.

Not to mention the possibility of Minnifield developing, though obviously we shouldn't hold our breath on that one.

[darrelgreenie]

Just read this on PFF about Deangelo Hall: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...skins-week-13/

Perhaps he's found his niche. I know a lot of us thought he could be valuable shifting to a slot/safety hybrid role and judging from his play the last two weeks, it's a good fit..

That's what's so frustrating about D. Hall. He has such a great skillset but such inconsistent performances in coverage. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that Hall is better in the slot then at outside CB. Maybe he's better there because he's forced to really cover and isn't allowed to gamble? Or maybe he's just in one of stretches where he's playing up to his potential?
Either way I want Hall on the team(re-structured) because although inconsistent even when he's not playing well he's still a capable starter and when he's playing his best he's good man to man corner with a great nose for the ball.

A healthy Merriweather and a Vacarro or Elam draft pick and perhaps a flier on Aqib Talib could give us a unit with a lot of potential. Perhaps turn transform the secondary into a legit strength

I would bring Meriweather back to compete during training camp but he wouldn't be my plan A.
If we pursue a DB in FA I want a legit starting caliber FS.

[maskedsuperstar]

I consider quality pass rushers, regardless of Rak's health, a need every offseason.
You can never have to many quality pass rushers.

---------- Post added December-2nd-2012 at 07:16 PM ----------

2013 NFL Draft: Top small school prospects

DE David Bass, Missouri Western State (6-3, 258): Bass contributed immediately as a redshirt freshman in 2009 and has progressively improved each season. Last year, he broke a school record with 20.0 tackles for loss and led the conference with 14.5 sacks, one short of the single season school mark. Bass, who is one of the most decorated defensive players in program history, has 28.0 career sacks and is on pace to break several career records in 2012.

Anyone know of any vid/cut-ups of this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vas3St71b5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MeKLm2NVOA

[SemperFi Skins]

bad injury to Cornelius (Tank) Carradine with a torn ACL... I had him pegged as a late first round, early second round pick. I wonder how much his stock drops? He would be an animal at the OLB spot if we could get him in the 4th or later.

[stevemcqueen1]

That's what's so frustrating about D. Hall. He has such a great skillset but such inconsistent performances in coverage. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that Hall is better in the slot then at outside CB. Maybe he's better there because he's forced to really cover and isn't allowed to gamble? Or maybe he's just in one of stretches where he's playing up to his potential?
Either way I want Hall on the team(re-structured) because although inconsistent even when he's not playing well he's still a capable starter and when he's playing his best he's good man to man corner with a great nose for the ball.

Maybe he does better in the slot because it's usually less space to cover, he can blitz from it, closer to the action in run support and thus get into the physical flow of the game more often. Maybe the routes he sees from it are easier for him to diagnose.

Those are just general guesses. I don't really understand the specifics of why.

He's also a crafty playmaker. I think it's probably easier for him to get lost in the crowd from the slot and fool QBs. There is just so much going on in the middle of the field generally, harder to key on those guys than the ones on an island on the outside IMO.

I would bring Meriweather back to compete during training camp but he wouldn't be my plan A.
If we pursue a DB in FA I want a legit starting caliber FS.

I'm optimistic about Merriweather. Maybe not early in the year, but with all these RBs coming back quick from knees, who knows? Merriweather looked like a really good fit in the short time he did play. He made an impact.

I'd want a good backup plan though. I'd love to draft someone like Vacarro, who I think can play FS if needed.

---------- Post added December-3rd-2012 at 10:56 AM ----------

Monk that's a good Elam video you posted a while back. Saw some stuff I really liked, some other stuff I didn't. Some thoughts:

- Purifoy (14) and Roberson (5) really flashed. Those guys look good, should be ones to watch moving forward.

- Elam looks a little stiff in coverage.

- His frame looks just about maxed out. The bottom line on him is he's short. How fast he runs the 40 will determine his draft ceiling. If he runs a high 4.5 or a 4.6, he's not going to get drafted before the late third or fourth round IMO. If he can run a sub 4.5, I think he'll go in the second. FWIW, I don't think he's going to run that fast.

- He's a remarkably talented and coordinated hitter. It's my favorite thing about him. Great body control and he's very effective at impeding forward progress and bringing guys down in the open field.

- Good at getting to the ball and I think being short helps him slip around blockers in heavy traffic.

- Solid enough ball skills with at least some hawking ability but I just didn't see any length or leaping ability to make him a danger.

- I liked seeing him line up in the slot in man coverage but he didn't really seem to stand out in this role. Play recognition can be streaky.

- The one thing he does that's really special is make plays behind the LoS when lined up close to the line. That's really his thing and it's fun to watch.

- Motor runs hot and cold. He doesn't always get into the thick of things like some of the Seniors do.

I think he'll run a high 4.5 40, maybe low 4.6. I like him as an undersized SS but don't love him. probably value him lower than most, but I'd put him in the 4th round.

[darrelgreenie]

I'm optimistic about Merriweather. Maybe not early in the year, but with all these RBs coming back quick from knees, who knows? Merriweather looked like a really good fit in the short time he did play. He made an impact.

I'd want a good backup plan though. I'd love to draft someone like Vacarro, who I think can play FS if needed.

Its not just the knee injury that concerns me. I had doubts about Meriweather prior to his injuries. And his brief half of play against the Eagles are not enough for me to forget his checkered track record that made him available after being cut twice in one season (Pats then the Bears). Meriweather would be part of my plan B or plan C but not plan A.

If there is one position that makes me nervous when starting a rookie its FS. And there are only a handful I think have the potential to be year 1 starters at FS. Vaccaro does make my list of guys that could start a FS, but I would be far more comfortable with guys that I've actually seen play the FS position (deep 1/3 and deep 1/2 half field) more often like McDonald, and depending on how Rashard Hall runs I would like him as well because he's played more as true FS then any prospect I've watched. If we could land a FS in FA I think that would be the best route to find a solution at that position. Then if we did draft another S they could play SS and learn the FS postion over time.

[Dukes and Skins]

bad injury to Cornelius (Tank) Carradine with a torn ACL... I had him pegged as a late first round, early second round pick. I wonder how much his stock drops? He would be an animal at the OLB spot if we could get him in the 4th or later.

There is almost no chance Tank falls that far, unless there is something drastic on his medical record. Guys like McGahee have shredded their knees in college and still end up going early.

[FrFan]

Just read this on PFF about Deangelo Hall: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...skins-week-13/



It's talking about how he's started covering the slot.

Perhaps he's found his niche. I know a lot of us thought he could be valuable shifting to a slot/safety hybrid role and judging from his play the last two weeks, it's a good fit.

I think the secondary could make great strides from getting a safety and an outside corner.

A healthy Merriweather and a Vacarro or Elam draft pick and perhaps a flier on Aqib Talib could give us a unit with a lot of potential. Perhaps turn transform the secondary into a legit strength.

I hope he'll keep it up vs the Giants, but will we be able to sign any valuable FA next year with his huge salary cap hit and our cap penalty ?

[darrelgreenie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vas3St71b5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MeKLm2NVOA

Gracias, I wish there was more game footage.
But he fits the profile of the type of player I would like as later round fliers.

[maskedsuperstar]

Gracias, I wish there was more game footage.
But he fits the profile of the type of player I would like as later round fliers.

I agree. The Skins need depth at the rush OLB position. We've seen what happens when an starting OLB goes down with no back up plan.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

No thats not it at all, I've watched now 5 full games of him and I'm not the only one who saying the same. His 1st step is freakish and he's going to be a 1st round pick when its all said and done.

Gotcha, thanks.

[stevemcqueen1]

Its not just the knee injury that concerns me. I had doubts about Meriweather prior to his injuries. And his brief half of play against the Eagles are not enough for me to forget his checkered track record that made him available after being cut twice in one season (Pats then the Bears). Meriweather would be part of my plan B or plan C but not plan A.

If there is one position that makes me nervous when starting a rookie its FS. And there are only a handful I think have the potential to be year 1 starters at FS. Vaccaro does make my list of guys that could start a FS, but I would be far more comfortable with guys that I've actually seen play the FS position (deep 1/3 and deep 1/2 half field) more often like McDonald, and depending on how Rashard Hall runs I would like him as well because he's played more as true FS then any prospect I've watched. If we could land a FS in FA I think that would be the best route to find a solution at that position. Then if we did draft another S they could play SS and learn the FS postion over time.

I understand. FS is a lot of responsibility to drop on a young player.

Glover Quin is a FA. I believe I like him and Ryan Mundy best for us from the FA crop. Mundy has flashed an an injury sub for Pittsburgh and Quin has been a solid starter for Houston for a couple of seasons. Mundy is 27 and Quin is 26. I'm not aware of the market around them but my gut says neither should command big contracts. Both are FS. A transition for Mundy should be relatively painless since he'd be coming from a similar role in Pitt's D.

What I like about Vaccaro (I think I spell it differently every time) is he can play each position from nickel corner, FS, to SS so you can find a lot of ways to get him on the field early. But I think he's naturally a SS and that's where we would do best to settle him long term. He's big and he's a bruiser that can really make an impact playing in the box. Him and Mundy would be a pretty nice tandem down the line and you could still try and work back Merriweather to become part of that DB rotation. Mundy has thrived in a reserve role.

[Dukes and Skins]

Getting a FA class of Mundy and Quin would be huge for us. 2 good starters who won't be getting huge contracts. That allows a lot more flexibility in the draft