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[bird_1972]

Another thing is our picks will likely be mature seniors.

How many of our picks other then Rg3 have been underclassmen the last 3 year?

Very apt observation.

Not only seniors, but potentially team captains. Potential leaders at the next level.

Would be nice to get a MLB that fits that profile.

[Dukes and Skins]

Part of me thinks Shanny takes more risks and looks for Juniors to draft

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Another thing is our picks will likely be mature seniors.

How many of our picks other then Rg3 have been underclassmen the last 3 year?

RGIII was effectively a senior too, in that he was a 4 year starter. He got hurt in year 2 so he had eligibility left.

[stevemcqueen1]

I like Austin more then I did Jackson. Austin in this offense would be dynamic because of his ability to lineup in the backfield or the slot. He will also upgrade our return game. I think his ability to play Rb or Wr in a offense like ours is huge.

I would be happy with Dri Archer as well for those same reasons but he is a poor mans Austin.

The running is what I was worried about translating to the NFL. I think if he gets nearly as many touches in the NFL as he gets at WVU, he's going to get worn out. He had 170 offensive touches this year. Half of that number might be too many in the NFL. I was thinking you probably work Austin in mainly as a vertical receiver and returner like DeSean Jackson. But Jackson gets banged up too. I have a hard time envisioning a big role for Austin. The big play ability would be fantastic, but I still think he's a risk early on.

Plus what I would like to see is a receiver with some good size who mainly lines up outside at split end and specializes in beating press coverage. There are a lot of big receivers in this class.

[skinzwiz]

The running is what I was worried about translating to the NFL. I think if he gets nearly as many touches in the NFL as he gets at WVU, he's going to get worn out. He had 170 offensive touches this year. Half of that number might be too many in the NFL. I was thinking you probably work Austin in mainly as a vertical receiver and returner like DeSean Jackson. But Jackson gets banged up too. I have a hard time envisioning a big role for Austin. The big play ability would be fantastic, but I still think he's a risk early on.

Plus what I would like to see is a receiver with some good size who mainly lines up outside at split end and specializes in beating press coverage. There are a lot of big receivers in this class.

I kind of have the same worries about Austin. Percy Harvin types are very rare, in fact there is no other like him in the NFL. Garvin is dynamic, but has the strong base and power to run through tackles as well. Austin won't do that at his size.

[stevemcqueen1]

I kind of have the same worries about Austin. Percy Harvin types are very rare, in fact there is no other like him in the NFL. Garvin is dynamic, but has the strong base and power to run through tackles as well. Austin won't do that at his size.

Yeah Harvin is pretty solidly built. He's thickly muscled in his lower half and through the chest and arms. And he gets banged up alot. Austin has a much more slender build. Much thinner legs and doesn't have much of a bubble.

But I don't want to make too much of the size issue. Everybody is different and injuries effect everyone different. You can't predict them. He could stay completely healthy throughout his entire career and a big man could blow out his knee in his first preseason.

I also don't want to give the impression I don't like Austin. The kid is incredibly dynamic and I would probably take him in the second round pick even though he's risky. His lateral explosiveness and balance are jaw dropping. He's also tough and scrappy despite his size so who knows, maybe it won't be that big an issue in the NFL?

---------- Post added December-6th-2012 at 05:29 PM ----------

JPP said facing Drew Brees is going to be easy this week compared to facing RGIII last week.

Anyone saying things like that about Andrew Luck?

Goes with what I said before about RGIII scaring teams. He scared the defending champs so much they decided to run the ball on our 3rd ranked rush D rather than pass on our horrible pass D and put RGIII on the field.

He's already busting up schemes and altering game plans. He's not only opening up both the run and pass for the offense, he's making the game easier for the defense. You don't alter your schemes and gameplan for Andrew Luck right now. Except maybe adopting the standard rookie QB game plan of play zone and blitz and let the turnovers pile up. Luck is having a really nice year for a rookie QB. RGIII is having a great year period.

Honestly it's stupid that I feel the need to even say that. ESPN is stupid.

[CoolHandLuke]

Plus what I would like to see is a receiver with some good size who mainly lines up outside at split end and specializes in beating press coverage. There are a lot of big receivers in this class.

I agree with this which is why I asked about trading down to get an extra pick. If we can snag either Quinton Patton or Darick Rogers in the 2nd-3rd round, and pick up Marquess Wilson in the 5th-6th, I would be very happy. I think we should draft two recievers in this draft assuming we're going BPA. A high pick (2-3) and a mid-late pick(5-7). If we trade our 2nd back a few spots and get a 5th rounder(4th if we're lucky), we will still have 6 picks to play with.

[Darth Tater]

Very apt observation.

Not only seniors, but potentially team captains. Potential leaders at the next level.

Would be nice to get a MLB that fits that profile.

And RG3 was only an underclassman as far as football because he only played 4 games in his second year. So even though RG3 was technically a 3rd year player, he was really a 4 year vet.

[skinzwiz]

But I don't want to make too much of the size issue. Everybody is different and injuries effect everyone different. You can't predict them. He could stay completely healthy throughout his entire career and a big man could blow out his knee in his first preseason.

I also don't want to give the impression I don't like Austin. The kid is incredibly dynamic and I would probably take him in the second round pick even though he's risky. His lateral explosiveness and balance are jaw dropping. He's also tough and scrappy despite his size so who knows, maybe it won't be that big an issue in the NFL?

Oh I don't think size will matter as a WR for him. I just don't think he can be a successful in the NFL as a runner because defenders are a lot more athletic. As a running back, you have to at least be able to break arm tackles, whereas Austin excels primarily at running around people.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Just want to add that the Chad Morris offense at Clemson, is the Skins offense.

Any draft eligible players on offense, at Clemson, aligns with the Skins offense.

That includes
Hopkins
Ellington
Freeman
Ford
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I actually prefer Gillislee to Ellington, mostly due to his physicality and tough running. Maybe a tick better anticipation and probably better vision.

Hopkins is likely out of draft range.

Freeman is better at pass protection than he is with run blocking. He's a center, sometimes underwhelming but in range for a later round selection. And as has been the history, sometimes these later round interior lineman turn out to the most steady in the NFL.
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http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footb...120512aab.html

ACC Player of the Year - Tajh Boyd, Clemson, QB, 6-1, 225, Jr.-R, Hampton, Va.

ACC Offensive Player of the Year - Tajh Boyd, Clemson, QB, 6-1, 225, Jr.-R, Hampton, Va.

ACC Defensive Player of the Year - Bjoern Werner, Florida State, DE, 6-4, 273, Jr., Berlin, Germany

ACC Rookie of the Year - Duke Johnson, Miami, RB, 5-9, 183, Fr., Miami, Fla.

ACC Offensive Rookie of the Year - Duke Johnson, Miami, RB, 5-9, 183, Fr., Miami, Fla.

ACC Defensive Rookie of the Year - Ronald Darby, Florida State, CB, 5-11, 176, Fr., Oxon Hill, Md.

ACC Coach of the Year - David Cutcliffe, Duke

2012 Coaches All-ACC Football Team

Offense
First Team

QB--Tajh Boyd, Clemson, 6-1, 225, Jr.-R
RB--Giovani Bernard, North Carolina, 5-10, 205, So.-R
RB--Andre Ellington, Clemson, 5-10, 190, Sr.-R
WR--DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson, 6-1, 200, Jr
WR--Conner Vernon, Duke, 6-1, 195, Sr
TE--Brandon Ford, Clemson, 6-4, 235, Gr
T---James Hurst, North Carolina, 6-7, 300, Jr
T--Oday Aboushi, Virginia, 6-6, 310, Sr
G--Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina, 6-3, 295, Sr
G--Omoregie Uzzi, Georgia Tech, 6-3, 300, Sr.-R
C--Dalton Freeman, Clemson, 6-5, 285, Gr

Second Team

QB--EJ Manuel, Florida State, 6-5, 245, Sr
RB---Chris Thompson, Florida State, 5-8, 190, Sr
RB---Duke Johnson, Miami, 5-9, 183, Fr
WR--Alex Amidon, Boston College, 5-11, 186, Jr
WR--Michael Campanaro, Wake Forest, 5-10, 190, Jr.-R
TE---Eric Ebron, North Carolina, 6-4, 235, So
T-----Brandon Thomas, Clemson, 6-3, 300, Jr.-R
T-----Emmett Cleary, Boston College, 6-7, 313, Sr.-R
G-----R.J. Mattes, NC State, 6-6, 313, Sr.-R
G-----Tre' Jackson, Florida State, 6-4, 310, So
C-----Bryan Stork, Florida State, 6-4, 299, Jr

Defense
First Team

DE--Cornellius Carradine, Florida State, 6-5, 267, Sr
DE--Bjoern Werner, Florida State, 6-4, 273, Jr
DT--Joe Vellano, Maryland, 6-1, 285, Sr
DT---Sylvester Williams, North Carolina, 6-3, 315, Sr
LB--Nick Clancy, Boston College, 6-3, 232, Sr
LB--Jack Tyler, Virginia Tech, 5-11, 230, Jr
LB---Kevin Reddick, North Carolina, 6-3, 240, Sr
CB---Ross Cockrell, Duke, 6-0, 180, Jr
CB--Xavier Rhodes, Florida State, 6-2, 215, Jr
S------Lamarcus Joyner, Florida State, 5-9, 204, Jr
S------Earl Wolff, NC State, 6-0, 207, Gr

Second Team

DE--James Gayle, Virginia Tech, 6-4, 250, Jr.-R
DE--Kareem Martin, North Carolina, 6-6, 260, Jr
DT---Nikita Whitlock, Wake Forest, 5-11, 260, Jr.-R
DT (Tie) Timmy Jernigan, Florida State, 6-3, 297, So
DT (Tie) Everett Dawkins, Florida State, 6-2, 295, Sr
LB---Christian Jones, Florida State, 6-4, 240, Jr
LB---Steve Greer, Virginia, 6-2, 225, Sr.-R
LB---Demetrius Hartsfield, Maryland, 6-2, 240, Sr.-R
CB---David Amerson, NC State, 6-3, 194, Jr
CB---Antone Exum, Virginia Tech, 6-2, 219, Jr.-R
S-----Walt Canty, Duke, 6-1, 220, Sr
S-----Brandan Bishop, NC State, 6-2, 205, Sr

[stevemcqueen1]

Oh I don't think size will matter as a WR for him. I just don't think he can be a successful in the NFL as a runner because defenders are a lot more athletic. As a running back, you have to at least be able to break arm tackles, whereas Austin excels primarily at running around people.

He slips out of a lot of tackles. I think he'll definitely be able to make people miss in the NFL just like he does in college. He's about as explosive and agile as they come.

---------- Post added December-6th-2012 at 07:38 PM ----------

Just want to add that the Chad Morris offense at Clemson, is the Skins offense.

They run a much faster pace than we do. But you're right, there is a ton of similarity. Less designed QB runs too probably. Probably less presnap motion too and we've got some alignments I don't think I've ever seen anywhere else before with the way we use the TEs.

[Dukes and Skins]

I think DeAndre Hopkins is one of the more underrated players even though he's listed as a 2nd round pick

[stevemcqueen1]

I'd probably take the All Big 12 team over the All ACC team this year. There are some gems there, but that ACC team is kind of ugly.

[gorebd82]

Anyone seen the Russ Lande NFP First Mock yet? I don't think it's realistic at all because he has 9 OLs going in the 1st including two OGs and a RT in the top ten. That has both Aboushi and Fluker gone on day one. Also Jarvis Jones going 29.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...t-10-3639.html

Tried to paste the mock, but didn't work from the iPad.

---------- Post added December-6th-2012 at 08:06 PM ----------

They run a much faster pace than we do. But you're right, there is a ton of similarity. Less designed QB runs too probably. Probably less presnap motion too and we've got some alignments I don't think I've ever seen anywhere else before with the way we use the TEs.

That may have been the blessing in disguise of Fred's injury. Paulsen being such a good blocker has let us move him around in motion a lot and line him up in the backfield.

[skinzwiz]

I think DeAndre Hopkins is one of the more underrated players even though he's listed as a 2nd round pick

In one of their last games the announcers said Hopkins was likely to stay for his senior year so it may not matter.

---------- Post added December-6th-2012 at 08:12 PM ----------

Anyone seen the Russ Lande NFP First Mock yet? I don't think it's realistic at all because he has 9 OLs going in the 1st including two OGs and a RT in the top ten. That has both Aboushi and Fluker gone on day one. Also Jarvis Jones going 29.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...t-10-3639.html

Tried to paste the mock, but didn't work from the iPad.

This is the worst mock in the history of mocks. It is a mockery!