2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[Dukes and Skins]

The more I watch Markus Wheaton from OSU the more I like his fit in an O like ours.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

2:50 of that video, look at how WIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiDE the lapels are on Irv's blazer. They're out to his shoulders almost lol

[Monk4thaHALL]

2:50 of that video, look at how WIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiDE the lapels are on Irv's blazer. They're out to his shoulders almost lol

IRV knows style.

[stevemcqueen1]

Thank you for posting that old broadcast Monk. It's a treasure.

Some thoughts:

- I would LOVE to hear someone like Cam Newton use the word crescendo in an interview or make a comparison to the Harvard--Princeton--Yale rivalry ahahaha. Everyone, from the players to the commentators spoke with so much more literacy and erudition. Whitaker's monologue was just a classic example of the eloquent, breathless and hyperbolic sportscasting style you got then. Those days are gone. Now clowns like Pete Prisco and John Clayton count for competent writers and Emmitt Smith got a job behind the desk.

- Gil Brandt and Brent Musberger are so old.

- Did you all see how SLOW Billy Kilmer looked running for that first down on the left sideline?

- I love that Jimmy The Greek was sponsored by Dutch Masters. People gave them as gifts? There was once a time when people actually used them for something other than smoking weed? I love that a whole segment was unabashedly devoted to gambling. Also funny that passing 35 times in a game was extraordinary back then.

- The line about Walsh at Stanford is kind of funny since he left for the job in SF the next year. How weird would it be if he had taken the Bills job?

- I looked it up and Jimmy was in fact wrong about the Knox & Allen predictions. Allen actually retired and Knox ended up with the Bills job.

- I see pronouncing the full name of the National Football League was a requirement back then as well.

- Kermit Washington got just a $10,000 dollar fine and two month suspension for punching Rudy Tomjanovich? He shattered his face and nearly killed him! David Stern just fined the Spurs $250,000 for not being cool about playing their stars when the game was on TNT.

- I liked seeing Gil Brandt fantasize about drafting Earl Campbell AND Terry Miller. And they had just drafted Tony Dorsett!! Must have been nice to be a GM in the pre-cap era. What a preposterous misallocation of resources that would be today. This was also about the same time as the Pony Express at SMU with Craig James and Eric Dickerson. Two best HB recruits in the state, which do I choose? How about both! The thinking was clearly: let's just stockpile a bunch of blue chip running backs and run them to death and maybe we'll throw a deep bomb on third and twelve.

And that worked beautifully back then.

I looked up Dorsett's draft class wondering why he was drafted second and it turns out a fullback from USC named Ricky Bell actually went first overall that year... NFL teams used to be such mom and pop joints in the way they were run. It's pretty amazing how much more sophisticated everything about the NFL is today.

[Monk4thaHALL]

First ever freshman.

[delmarvan]

I think everybody likes what Riddick can do, but at the same time people want the home run threat and that is not what Riddick is. That's why the conversation hasn't gone past Austin, Archer, Goodwin, and Reese lol

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Yeah...I like him as my 3rd rounder.

Maybe you should have considered that i didn't know "everybody" liked Riddick. You should have also considered that maybe i was talking about Reddick as a playmaker, not just a home-run threat. Sheesh, i am entitled to my own opinion aren't I?

[Dukes and Skins]

Maybe you should have considered that i didn't know "everybody" liked Riddick. You should have also considered that maybe i was talking about Reddick as a playmaker, not just a home-run threat. Sheesh, i am entitled to my own opinion aren't I?

No, in this thread you aren't allowed that.

/sarcasm

[stevemcqueen1]

First ever freshman.

I think it should have been Te'o, but this was one of the least deserving Heisman classes I can remember. None of these guys would have been top four in last year's group.

It's also obvious that the standard that killed a lot of players for having bad games in losses was not evenly applied to Manziel because Florida and LSU happened towards the beginning of the year. Well, those losses kept A&M out of the title game just as certainly as Georgia losing to Bama in the title game.

The voting system for awards like this is a mess and IMO, the Heisman is not nealy as meaningful as it used to be in the old days when it was obvious who the best two or three RBs in the country were and you could give it to one of them.

They need to cut down on the amount of eligible voters by about 90% and require the voters to watch every game by every top candidate.
They need to make the voting process completely transparent and every voter should be forced to write a justification for his decision like a judge.
They need to make the criteria of the award far more intuitive and simple: the best players in the country that didn't play on total disasters of a team.
They need to open the award up to all positions and give fair weight to receivers, defenders, and offensive linemen so as to actually be able to give the award to the best players. It's not the case any more that the best and most impactful players on their team all line up at RB or QB. The game is so much more sophisticated now.

Larry Fitzgerald should have won it over Jason White. Adrian Peterson should have won it over Matt Leinart. Vince Young probably should have won it over Reggie Bush but this wasn't as bad as most years. Darren McFadden or Calvin Johnson should have won it over Troy Smith. Tebow or McFadden is fine in 07 and Bradford is probably the right call in 08 (runner up Crabtree), but Suh should have won it over Ingram in '10. Newton and Griffin were the right calls the next two years, but Te'o is the only one of the three finalists this year who should have even been considered. Manziel is not even the best player on his team.

It should have been Te'o, Milliner, Joeckel, Jarvis Jones, and Clowney. Anyone of those five was worthy, I'd have leaned towards Jones but I understand going with another because he missed two games.

They get it wrong more than they get it right. If they actually started giving the award to the best players every year, it would mean something again.

[skinzwiz]

Maybe you should have considered that i didn't know "everybody" liked Riddick. You should have also considered that maybe i was talking about Reddick as a playmaker, not just a home-run threat. Sheesh, i am entitled to my own opinion aren't I?

Umm...you're getting pissy because??

I didn't post anything to imply your opinion was stupid or unwanted so I don't get this, but whatever.

Anyway, to comment on the Heisman, I think Manziel was deserving of it and I knew he would win. What he did against Alabama was RGIII-ish lol

---------- Post added December-9th-2012 at 12:10 AM ----------

The more I watch Markus Wheaton from OSU the more I like his fit in an O like ours.

What do you like about him?? I never was wowed by him, but I hardly see Oregon State so...

[Laron Burgundy]

I think you're really discrediting Manziel's accomplishments Steve. No, he probably wasn't the best player on his team, but it wasn't like he was a pocket-passer who relied on an offensive line to keep his jersey clean. He made a lot of purely brilliant runs as well as passes. I don't see how someone can support Young over Bush but then completely discredit Manziel. You take out Young's national title game (which was one of the best individual performances ever, but took place after the heisman was awarded), and his season is several degrees below Manziel's imo. Most of the guys who win the heisman have a stacked supporting cast, but when you can play brilliantly against the best conference in college then you probably deserve it.

[Rabsuz]

Is it possible we could grab both of the UGA safeties (Rambo and Shawn Williams) and reunite them in the pros? Because both of them are quality safeties who I would not mind having.

Unless of course we just grab a FS and let bank on Brandon Merriweather to be healthy and contribute.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Isi Sofele - [PRONUNCIATION: EE-see so-fell-AY]

http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-foo...ele_isi00.html

One of only three active players to have played in all 38 games possible with 15 starts over his three seasons at Cal from 2009-11

2011: An honorable mention All-Pac-12 selection by the coaches

Career average of 5.2 yards per carry.

 CAREER STATISTICS

Rushing	
        G       Att	Yards	Yds/Att	Long	TD	Yds/G
2009	13	12	82	6.8	22	1	6.3
2010	12	69	338	4.9	24	0	28.2
2011	13	252	1322	5.2	56	10	101.7
2012	12	146	757	5.2	35	4	63.1

TOTAL	50	479	2499	5.2	56	15	50.0

Receiving	
        G       Rec	Yards	Yds/Rec	Long	TD	Yds/G
2009	13	3	26	8.7	13	0	2.0
2010	12	5	28	5.6	8	2	2.3
2011	13	6	33	5.5	22	0	2.5
2012	12	7	67	9.6	17	0	5.6

TOTAL	50	21	154	7.3	22	2	3.1

2012 vs oregon (15 attempts, 134 yards - 8.9 average):


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2011 vs oregon state (23 attempts, 190 yards - 8.3 average):


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one play vs ohio state, 2012 (21 attempts, 86 yards, 4.1 average):


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various montage of 2011: (oregon: 12 attempts, 119 yards - 9.9 average & oregon state [previous])


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stats:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/...494/isi-sofele

---------- Post added December-9th-2012 at 07:16 AM ----------

When shanahan was asked about how he found Morris or when he knew that Morris was a guy to draft he said something to the effect that "you saw the cuts." He went on (paraphrase) "Few guys guys made the kind-of cuts that he made."

(Sofele): That's what they look like.

Don't over-analyze it, just look at the cuts. The 'ole 1-cut & Go. He'll plant the foot, cut and get what yards he can upfield. He runs strong too, in the same manner Morris does. Sofele is diminutive but has power. He does not shy from contact. That's what Sofele does.

He uses a jumpcut every so often, a few shakes here and there but you can see some decent 1st to 2nd to 3rd gear acceleration. Meaning he's more quick than speedy. His 10 yard splits are all that will matter. He's not a top-end speed guy, but from start to his full speed, is quick. That's how he seems to get yards, by being at his full speed before the defender is at his full speed. So his acceleration can get past defenders in the short radius (distinction between quickness and speed).

You couple that with the fact that Sofele will be available late in the draft and that he's accustomed to the shotgun mesh point, he likewise runs behind his pads, runs tougher and bigger than his size (5'8" 200 lbs) - shanahan grabs these undersized tough nosed guys and churns them out to 1,000 yard ball carriers.

[Dukes and Skins]

Umm...you're getting pissy because??

I didn't post anything to imply your opinion was stupid or unwanted so I don't get this, but whatever.

Anyway, to comment on the Heisman, I think Manziel was deserving of it and I knew he would win. What he did against Alabama was RGIII-ish lol

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What do you like about him?? I never was wowed by him, but I hardly see Oregon State so...

Track speed, ability to make the big play. Needs work definitely, but at the same time you can see top 100 pick ability

[KDawg]

I don't believe Manziel was more important to his team than Manti Te'o was to his. Don't get me wrong. Manziel has some, uhh, zeal. I actually really like the kid for his intelligence, humbleness and least important (but most important for the award) his play.

But, I'd argue that A&M's success was more in the corner of the offensive line, particularly Joeckel. Manziel made a ton of amazing plays, at times looking super human, but as per usual the offensive line doesn't get much credit (aside from Manziel, who during his speech knew how important the OL was, which is more of a reason I really like that kid.) I've heard peopl say, "but he beat Alabama". No, he didn't. Texas A&M beat Alabama. Not Manziel.

I don't think Notre Dame is in the National Championship without Manti Te'o. The guy just brings the pain and is extremely intelligent. People say this was a weak Heisman class, and to that I have to ask to what standard?

He won SIX awards. SIX. As a defensive player.

I think it's fairly obvious that the Heisman is more about offense. It has been that way for quite some time. Charles Woodson won the award, but he was also a return man and a receiver for Michigan. It almost seems as if you have to be involved in the offense to have a shot at the trophy. So why not make it purely about stats and offense?

If we didn't have RG3, I'd be hoping we landed Manziel down the line. (Of course, I'm expecting him to improve).

But Manti Te'o is an absolute monster defensively.

[stevemcqueen1]

ND definitely doesn't make the championship game without Te'o. He was the heart of that team.

But his season wasn't even the best for a D player this season and doesn't really stack up to some of the great seasons from defenders in years past like Ndamukong Suh. If any defender ever should have won it, it was him. Luke Kuechly's year last season was better and more dominant than Te'o's too, but his team sucked and they lost a bunch of games and he would never have been considered despite the fact he was flat out amazing.

This year I think Jarvis Jones and Jadeveon Clowney both had more dominant seasons than Te'o did and both played on good teams but neither were even considered. Why?

I think you can make a case for Dee Milliner over Te'o too. He had an amazing season and is the best player on his team and it damn near ran the table in the SEC and is in the title game too.

But my main thing about Manziel is that he wasn't the best player on his team. Joeckel was and I think you could argue Jake Matthews was better too. The award needs to be revamped and OL need to seriously be considered for the award. It's not fair and it does not go to the best player in CFB like it claims. I'd have no issue at all if Joeckel had been given the award because I believe he had a season worthy of it. He was dominant.