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[Dukes and Skins]

Logan Ryan had himself a hell of a game. Played physical in the run game, and also was very good in coverage. Playing into a very solid 2nd rounder

[STBonecrusher21]

Logan Ryan had himself a hell of a game. Played physical in the run game, and also was very good in coverage. Playing into a very solid 2nd rounder

Where do you got that Khaseem Greene from Rutgers goin D&S?

That guy is sideline to sideline machine. And great blitzer.

[Dukes and Skins]

Where do you got that Khaseem Greene from Rutgers goin D&S?

That guy is sideline to sideline machine. And great blitzer.

Well I have him as a 2nd rounder he's going to be a hell of a player in the NFL

[Laron Burgundy]

So Mike Wallace seems on his way out in Pittsburgh. He may be exactly the solution we need at wr. He's basically the wr we hope Robinson matures into. He takes the tops off defenses and is a perfect fit for RG3's downfield accuracy. Likely won't happen though. We made Garcon the 6th highest paid wr, and he's certainly produced for us when healthy, but I can't see us paying another guy top 10 wr money (and likely he wants more than Garcon). Sad thing is, without that cap hit, we would have more than enough room to sign Wallace AND an elite RT or FS. I hope the giants spend 20 years as nfc east bottomdwellars for that mess.

[LetThePointsSoar]

Hey guys, just finished seeing the ESPN segment on Notre Dame TE Eifert....thought I'd ask the experts ....where is he projected? Reminded me of Gronkowski a little bit...

[acuratl1984]

Came across this highlight clip of Branden Oliver, between the tackle runner, good vision/cuts like Morris but got speed and can receive.
He's a rJR, so not sure if he will declare early, but from a small school, I think he will probably come out next year.

Branden Oliver - RB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvjz5Le7Sy0

Oliver is a short and compact downhill runner. He runs with great pad level and forward lean, which allows him to pinball off of defenders and get lots of yards after initial contact. He doesn't shy away from contact, always looking to finish his runs and fight for the tough extra yards. Don't let his tenacity fool you though. He's just as proficient to run around defenders as he is to run through them.

Oliver has a great stutter step and spin move. Can stop and start on a dime. He has the patience to let plays develop and let the holes open up in front of him. He is very explosive to and through the hole. He gets downhill in a hurry, making one cut, planting his foot and exploding up field. He also excels receiving the ball (38 rec, 365 yards, 9.6 ypc) out of the backfield, especially in the screen game.

http://www.draftnikcentral.com/draft...player_id=1380

---------- Post added December-29th-2012 at 11:08 AM ----------

So Mike Wallace seems on his way out in Pittsburgh. He may be exactly the solution we need at wr. He's basically the wr we hope Robinson matures into. He takes the tops off defenses and is a perfect fit for RG3's downfield accuracy. Likely won't happen though. We made Garcon the 6th highest paid wr, and he's certainly produced for us when healthy, but I can't see us paying another guy top 10 wr money (and likely he wants more than Garcon). Sad thing is, without that cap hit, we would have more than enough room to sign Wallace AND an elite RT or FS. I hope the giants spend 20 years as nfc east bottomdwellars for that mess.

He's had a down year, don't think that he will be able to demand as big of a contract that he wanted.
We should just draft our own guy, like Markus Wheaton, or develop Aldrick.

[stevemcqueen1]

It's a valid assessment. You NEED good safety play to win it all unless your pass rush is other worldly.

2011 - Giants ran a 3 safety defense this season, plus their pass rush was clicking
2010 - Charles Woodson (although this is sort of cheating, he lined up ****ing everywhere for them)
2009 - Darren Sharper
2008 - Polamalu
2007 - Giants, they had 52 sacks that season.
2006 - Bob Sanders (got healthy in time for the playoff run)
2005 - Polamalu
2004 - Rodney Harrison
2003 - Rodney Harrison
2002 - John Lynch
2001 - Lawyer Milloy
2000 - Rod Woodson



While you're going to extremes here (and I disagree with that), I do agree that you definitely don't need to spend a high first rounder on a safety. Pick 15th and on, cool.

I haven't seen a Top 10 picked safety do anything amazing besides Sean Taylor. Some of the others are Michael Huff, Laron Landry, Donte Whitner, and Roy Williams. A solid group, but arguably not even 1st round worthy.

Edit - But honestly, I feel like Meriweather in our defense plus a solid Free Safety (which we lack), plus our pass rush back and healthy could potentially be enough.

Will never really know if ST was going to work out as a good pick. I think so, he was a ridiculously special player. Probably the most special DB I've ever seen. Bigger than some of his linebackers, faster than some of his corners, plus the most ferocious and pure football player I can ever remember. More so than Lavar. Sean was like a giant Ronnie Lott and could have easily played corner if he wasn't so impactful a tackler.

Huff has managed to hang on in Oakland, that's worth something. But it's hard to call that pick a smart use of a top seven pick too. Particularly since Tyvon Branch has been such a superior player and was just a 4th rounder. Huff was headed to bustville after his first three seasons when he got benched. He's settled into average to above average starter territory.

Berry has been a disappointment so far. Roy Williams was a disappointment, damn if he didn't seem like he was going to be good coming out of college. Landry and Whitner busted out of their original teams.

My take is that the only interior players typically worth taking early in the first are really special DTs and MLBs. They are the only ones who make a big enough individual impact to offset how common the "passable to pretty good" level of the skill set is. A player's value is determined by a loosely defined ratio of size to speed. The biggest fastest players are the most valuable--OTs like Trent, DEs & DTs like Nick Fairley/Aldon Smith/JJ Watt, WRs like Julio Jones/Calvin Johnson/AJ Green, CBs like Patrick Peterson.

You stick your slower players that are still smart and strong enough to play in the middle of the field with less space to operate. Their skill set is more common, they have less value in team building resources.

You do need good safety play but it's probably one of the cheapest things to find. Safeties are the smallest interior players, they have the most common ratio of size and speed.

If you can find a safety with a skill set like Sean, by all means, take him early. But I honestly don't ever expect to see another player like Sean. Otherwise, wait on your safeties until the mid rounds and take your tackles, receivers, rushers, and corners early and you'll end up with a much better team. And in general, I probably would never draft a S top ten. You are far less likely to regret taking that pass rusher or that OT with that pick than that safety.

---------- Post added December-29th-2012 at 11:37 AM ----------

So Mike Wallace seems on his way out in Pittsburgh. He may be exactly the solution we need at wr. He's basically the wr we hope Robinson matures into. He takes the tops off defenses and is a perfect fit for RG3's downfield accuracy. Likely won't happen though. We made Garcon the 6th highest paid wr, and he's certainly produced for us when healthy, but I can't see us paying another guy top 10 wr money (and likely he wants more than Garcon). Sad thing is, without that cap hit, we would have more than enough room to sign Wallace AND an elite RT or FS. I hope the giants spend 20 years as nfc east bottomdwellars for that mess.

Given our money situation, and how productive our current group of WRs has been, I don't think we can sign a "name" WR like Wallace to a big contract. If we're looking for upgrades, we need to go cheap and get someone who is either a low key FA looking for an opportunity to shine or use a draft pick for the rookie contract.

---------- Post added December-29th-2012 at 11:41 AM ----------

One of the problems with projecting safeties for us in the draft, is that our defense and Shanahan want versatile players. They want the offense trying to figure out which safety is coming down into the box and which isn't. Tanard Jackson and Meriweather fit that. Madieu doesn't.

I believe schemes have become more symmetrical because of spread formations. Safeties should be more of the coverage types now and RTs need to be able to pass protect. TEs should also be able to catch and run routes too.

And the flip side of that is your CBs and WRs are changing too because they have to now be more of a factor in the run game. CBs must be able to tackle and WRs should be able to block.

I could see generalism and versatility becoming even more valuable when you increase the prevalence of spreading the field and running no huddle.

[ConnSKINS26]

I like Oliver. People tout Robbie Rouse as that cannonball, shifty RB but I like Oliver better.

[acuratl1984]

I like Oliver. People tout Robbie Rouse as that cannonball, shifty RB but I like Oliver better.

Yea, the comment/detail said he looks like Ray Rice, but watching Oliver reminds me of Sproles more then Rice.

[darrelgreenie]

You do need good safety play but it's probably one of the cheapest things to find. Safeties are the smallest interior players, they have the most common ratio of size and speed.....Otherwise, wait on your safeties until the mid rounds and take your tackles, receivers, rushers, and corners early and you'll end up with a much better team.

I'm not sure about the relative difficult of find a S vs other positions. But, recent drafts have shown its hard to find rookie season starting caliber S the later you draft them (which is true for any position really). But, I was checking awhile back and very few rookie S start that weren't drafted in the 1st 3 rounds. Compare that against OL or RB or WR where mid-late round starters are much more common place.

I think your last statement about waiting to draft S is true in a vacuum. But, as I'm sure we all agree draft decisions should be guided by BPA.

[NLC1054]

You do need good safety play but it's probably one of the cheapest things to find. Safeties are the smallest interior players, they have the most common ratio of size and speed.

If you can find a safety with a skill set like Sean, by all means, take him early. But I honestly don't ever expect to see another player like Sean. Otherwise, wait on your safeties until the mid rounds and take your tackles, receivers, rushers, and corners early and you'll end up with a much better team. And in general, I probably would never draft a S top ten. You are far less likely to regret taking that pass rusher or that OT with that pick than that safety.

90 percent of our problems in the secondary are based on bad safety play, and part of it's for the reason you state; we keep trying to plug in cheap players, reclamation projects and late round draft picks back there.

No one will have Sean Taylor's skillset. Dude was one in a million. He should've been the GOAT, and I don't say that as a homer. How many sageties do you know that could've played Randy Moss, 1-on-1, in man coverage, in Moss' prime, and actually win? Dude was unreal.

So getting another ST is basically impossible. But hoping we find a solid guy in the late rounds hasn't worked either. Part of the problem is that we keep signing and drafting guys better suited to play in the box than in coverage, which is mostly what you get in the late rounds.

If there's a Vaccarro or and Elam or comparable free safety and they're the BPA, take 'em. It's a whole that needs to be filled. Like yesterday.

[Dukes and Skins]

Hey guys, just finished seeing the ESPN segment on Notre Dame TE Eifert....thought I'd ask the experts ....where is he projected? Reminded me of Gronkowski a little bit...

Late 1st to Early 2nd for me. Should be the top TE off the board

[BobGriffin]

Bacarri Rambo has all the tools. great ball skills, good Size, great Athlete, good in the box, serviceable in the box. He has major off the field questions though and we NEEED a safety so i am not sure if we can risk it. He has an awesome name for defense too lol "WHAT A HIT BY RAMBOOOO"

[acuratl1984]

Bacarri Rambo has all the tools. great ball skills, good Size, great Athlete, good in the box, serviceable in the box. He has major off the field questions though and we NEEED a safety so i am not sure if we can risk it. He has an awesome name for defense too lol "WHAT A HIT BY RAMBOOOO"

I'm hoping for both Swearinger and Rambo in this draft.

[Rabsuz]

WVU vs Syracuse in about an hour. Should be a great game with a lot of good tape.

I am looking forward to seeing Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, and of course Geno Smith. Ryan Nassib should also be pretty interesting.