2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[Dukes and Skins]

That's pretty strong. I'll put him on the FA thread OP for RT. I was never blown away by him but I didn't watch all of their games either.

One of my friends is a writer for PFF and he also said that Harris had outplayed Newton the whole year

[DC9]

One of my friends is a writer for PFF and he also said that Harris had outplayed Newton the whole year

I guess I am just miffed because we had an opportunity to bring him in a couple of years ago and he went to the Eagles... then we had another chance this year and he went to Houston. Were we waiting for a "show me" performance or were we just that low on him/that high on Polumbus?

I suspect we were worried about the injury he was coming off of and didn't want another Jammal Brown on the 53.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

I suspect we were worried about the injury he was coming off of and didn't want another Jammal Brown on the 53.

That is correct. He's got a pretty long injury history.

2009 - missed half the season
2010 - missed 5 games
2011 - missed the whole season (This was when he got signed by the Eagles)

He got signed by the Broncos at the start of this season, but got cut before the season. The Texans picked him up, and he's had his first real injury free season since 2008. Because of this, I don't think we could view him as the answer at RT. I'm not opposed to signing him on the cheap, since with the Cap Penalty we have to make concessions. However I'm kind of leaning towards giving our youth a shot. Developing talent from within.

And here I go off on a tangent about our o-line's future.
This could be a stupid idea, but I like the idea of running a ZBS with much bigger guys. If we can get some guys who are huge, and can still get to the 2nd level, our o-line could really dictate games. I feel like we'd match up a bit better against the Steelers this season. Against them we struggled to prevent penetration or get past the d-line to the 2nd level.

The stereotypical ZBS lineman is smaller than average, and the Bronco's average o-line weight in 2004 (random google searching) was 295 pounds. I think it's a little telling that Mike Shanahan has started to focus a bit more on the heavier (yet still quick) players.

Shanahan's old offensive lines in the early 2000's with Denver had guys like Tom Nalen (286), Matt Lepsis (290), Cooper Carlisle (295), Dan Neil (285).

The Texans o-line this year is between 304 - 307.6 lbs.

Duane Brown - 320
Wade Smith - 307
Chris Myers - 290
Ben Jones - 303
Derek Newton - 318 (Ryan Harris - 300)

Last season, Houston's o-line had Mike Brisiel (310) and Eric Winston (305) instead of Jones and Newton.

Our current o-line is:
Trent - 325
Kory - 284
Monty - 304
Chester - 309
Polumbus - 305

Next season there are two possible o-line changes. Josh LeRibeus at LG, and for the sake of this post, let's say Maurice Hurt (who started 1 game at RT this season) develops and wins the RT job. (FYI, Tom Compton weighs 308)

Our possible o-line next season could be:
Trent - 325
LeRibeus - 315
Monty - 304
Chester - 309
Hurt - 329

Redskins 2012 average - 305.4
Redskins 2013 average? - 316.4 (w/Compton, 312.2)

[darrelgreenie]

Its a misconception that the ZBS requires small OL. (<-----I'm pretty sure Mike Shanahan has said this himself) The ZBS requires OL that have above average movement. The combo of size/speed in an OL is expensive and the speed is more important then the size therefore Shanahan kind find the speed quality later in the draft at the expense of size.

Here are some other teams that use ZBS: Dolphins, Philly, Raiders, Packers, Seahawks none of which have 'small' OL

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But I personally spend a lot more of my time watching the prospects that I love regardless of the likelihood that they are drafted by us. I imagine those perfect BPA picks that always fall to those well-run playoff teams and work out, I imagine how fun they would be to watch....

I always watch the prospects, whether or not I think they'll get picked by our FO. I'm not just a fan of the Burgundy and Gold but a fan of the NFL and I watch a lot of football.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

Its a misconception that the ZBS requires small OL. (<-----I'm pretty sure Mike Shanahan has said this himself) The ZBS requires OL that have above average movement. The combo of size/speed in an OL is expensive and the speed is more important then the size therefore Shanahan kind find the speed quality later in the draft at the expense of size.

I remember Shanahan saying something like that. And good point about the size factor in the later rounds.

Looking back at the Bronco's draft picks in the 2000's with Shanahan, the highest drafted non-Tackle was in round 4. So now Josh LeRibeus is the highest drafted non-Tackle he's had in over a decade. Who knows, this could be an indicator that Shanny is valuing size+speed a bit more for the o-line.

[Dukes and Skins]

FYI Shrine Game practices start today. Should be a good game this weekend. Also have 2 CAA players in it with Cooper Taylor from Richmond and Earl Watford from JMU

[jschlesi]

I guess the first part would be to see whom the skins can get to redo contracts to free up some cap room. FA looks decent this year. Time for Bruce to show his worth and get us some space. Cant count on the draft for results right away but I would love an OL and DBacks

[Dukes and Skins]

Terron Armstead who I mentioned earlier in this thread has had a good start to the day from what i've seen on twitter. Would be a project, but very talented guy

[darrelgreenie]

Not sure if posted:
http://www.sbnation.com/east-west-shrine-game-2013-news
WEST TEAM

Coach: Leeman Bennett
Offense:
Anthony Amos, WR, Middle Tennessee State
Jeff Baca, OL, UCLA
Sam Brenner, OL, Utah
Braden Brown, OL, Brigham Young
Zach Brown, K, Portland State
Dan Buckner, WR, Arizona
Chad Bumphis, WR, Mississippi State
Alex Carder, QB, Western Michiga
Jasper Collins, WR, Mount Union
Keenan Davis, WR, Iowa
Seth Doege, QB, Texas Tech
Kirby Fabien, OL, Calgary
Joseph Fauria, TE, UCLA
James Ferentz, OL, Iowa
Manase Foketi, OL, West Texas A&M
Blaize Foltz, OL, TCU
Tyrone Goard, WR, Eastern Kentucky
Tanner Hawkinson, OL, Kansas
Josh Hill, TE, Idaho State
Zach Line, RB, SMU
Christine Michael, RB, Texas A&M
Dann O'Neill, OL, Western Michigan
Andrew Robiskie, OL, Western Illinois
Matt Scott, QB, Arizona
Zach Sudfeld, TE, Nevada
Ryan Turnley, OL, Pittsburgh
Kerwynn Williams, RB, Utah State
Defense:
Jahleel Addae, S, Central Michigan
Josh Boyd, DL, Mississippi State
William Campbell, DL, Michigan
Cody Davis, S, Texas Tech
Steve Greer, LB, Virginia
Terry Hawthorne, CB, Illinois
Aaron Hester, CB, UCLA
DeVonte Holloman, LB, South Carolina
Wes Horton, DL, USC
Josh Hubner, P, Arizona State
Demontre Hurst, CB, Oklahoma
Micah Hyde, CB, Iowa
Keelan Johnson, S, Arizona State
Travis Johnson, DL, San Jose State
A.J. Klein, LB, Iowa State
Rob Lohr, DL, Vanderbilt
Nigel Malone, CB, Kansas State
Bradley McDougald, S, Kansas
Zeke Motta, S, Notre Dame
Will Pericak, DL, Colorado
Keith Pough, LB, Howard
Sheldon Price, CB, UCLA
Albert Rosette, LB, Nevada
Caleb Schreibeis, DL, Montana State
Shamarko Thomas, S, Syracuse
Brandon Thurmond, DL, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
Nathan Williams, LB, Ohio State
Duke Williams, S, Nevada
Khalid Wooten, CB, Nevada


EAST TEAM

Coach: Jerry Glanville
Offense:
Terron Armstead, OL, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
WR Emory Blake, WR, Auburn
QB Colby Cameron, QB, Louisiana Tech
Marcus Davis, WR, Virginia Tech
Jordan Devey, OL, Memphis
R.J. Dill, OL, Rutgers
Corey Fuller, WR, Virginia Tech
Ray Graham, RB, Pittsburgh
Montel Harris, RB, Temple
Garth Heikkinen, OL, Minnesota-Duluth
Erik Highsmith, WR, North Carolina
Mark Jackson, OL, Glenville State
D.C. Jefferson, TE, Rutgers
T.J. Johnson, OL, South Carolina
Collin Klein, QB, Kansas State
Eric Kush, OL, California (Pa.)
Chris Pantale, TE, Boston College
Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
Matt Sewell, OL, McMaster (Ontario, Canada)
Rodney Smith, WR, Florida State
Nick Speller, OL, Massachusetts
Zac Stacy, RB, Vanderbilt
Matt Stankiewitch, OL, Penn State
Nathan Stanley, QB, Southeastern La.
Trent Steelman, WR, Army
Caleb Sturgis, K, Florida
Brandon Turner, WR, Navy
Early Watford, OL, James Madison
Defense:
Sam Barrington, LB, South Florida
David Bass, DL, Missouri Western State
Brendan Bishop, S, North Carolina State
Dylan Breeding, P, Arkansas
Xavier Brewer, CB, Clemson
Mike Catapano, DL, Princeton
Izaan Cross, DL, Georgia Tech
Matt Evans, LB, New Hampshire
Josh Evans, S, Florida
A.J. Francis, DL, Maryland
Rashard Hall, S, Clemson
Gerald Hodges, LB, Penn State
Josh Johnson, CB, Purdue
Robert McCabe, LB, Georgetown
Anthony McCloud, DL, Florida State
Brandon McGee, CB, Miami (Fla.)
Nick Moody, LB, Florida State
Sio Moore, LB, Connecticut
Kejuan Riley, S, Alabama State
Branden Smith, CB, Georgia
Rod Sweeting, CB, Georgia Tech
Devin Taylor, DL, South Carolina
Cooper Taylor, S, Richmond
Scott Vallone, DL, Rutgers
Joe Vellano, DL, Maryland
Kayvon Webster, CB, South Florida
Melvin White, CB, Louisiana-Lafayette
Trey Wilson, CB, Vanderbilt
Earl Wolff, S, North Carolina State

Not sure if posted:

[Dukes and Skins]

Thanks for posting that DG

[martytheman]

I wish Shanny was coaching the senior bowl again this year

[darrelgreenie]

Some names to watch out for in the Shrine game at Safety:

West:
Cody Davis, S, Texas Tech
Zeke Motta, S, Notre Dame
Duke Williams, S, Nevada
Shamarko Thomas, S, Syracuse

East:
Josh Evans, S, Florida
Rashard Hall, S, Clemson

[CaliSkinsFan92]

It's gonna hit me pretty hard if we don't draft a secondary player in the 2nd round lol. I mean i know Shanahan and everyone knows what they're doing but i'm pretty set on a secondary player and he's been known to pull draft surprises.

[Laron Burgundy]

It's gonna hit me pretty hard if we don't draft a secondary player in the 2nd round lol. I mean i know Shanahan and everyone knows what they're doing but i'm pretty set on a secondary player and he's been known to pull draft surprises.

I think people have to understand that our starters at safety didn't play this year. What we saw isn't indicative of the play of our starters, so it's silly to judge it without knowledge of it. And we all know pass rush and coverage are related, and our pass rush was pretty poor this year. I'm not too convinced we need immediate secondary upgrades as long as our projected starters come back.

[doghouse4x4]

I think people have to understand that our starters at safety didn't play this year. What we saw isn't indicative of the play of our starters, so it's silly to judge it without knowledge of it. And we all know pass rush and coverage are related, and our pass rush was pretty poor this year. I'm not too convinced we need immediate secondary upgrades as long as our projected starters come back.

I think you are generally right, but I am not overly optimistic our starters both come back, so we better make some contingency plans. If Williams is back there on opening day, there will be a riot.