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[wilco_holland]

Poyer is having a lot of fun, looking good.

...but what´s up with Mike Glennon his helmet? Does he have something in his helmet?

[ConnSKINS26]

Poyer is having a lot of fun, looking good.

...but what´s up with Mike Glennon his helmet? Does he have something in his helmet?

I know he's at least got the head of an overrated QB in his helmet.

[Rabsuz]

Connor Vernon is a sleeper. He could do some damage here.

[amm0409]

Where is Alford projected to go

[Taylor703]

Sio Moore has played great today.

[Dukes and Skins]

Where is Alford projected to go

2nd round more than likely

[Monk4thaHALL]

Just a few things from the senior bowl week and game.

I read the posts on here as the week went bye that the feeling on both Poyer and Trufant is that they could go in the 1st. And while I generally agree with that sentiment in principle (I mean to say that I had those thoughts myself), I like Poyer more than Trufant.

Trufant:

I had a change of heart after season, prior to senior bowl on Trufant. I re-watched some games, particularly the Stanford game, in which he looked good. The Bowl game however, he was nearly invisible.

Some of his 2012 games were very nice from a passes defended standpoint and yet I still was carrying some lingering hesitation from his 2011 tape.

I came away from his 2011 season with the feeling that I didn't like his tape. I have to go back to my notes from 2011 on him, I can't remember specifics. Just that I wasn't a fan of his coverage in 2011. It wasn't until the end of this year that I started to sway on him. Mostly because of his single Man coverage.

If I can find the post that I wrote at the beginning of January, I will try to revisit those feelings, in comparison with what I've seen this week.

His Senior Bowl week: He was aggressive and intense in Press Man, seemed really intense and physical. But look at the details: on those 1-on-1 drills, he was holding on Wheaton. Literally grabbed the jersey and pulled him to the ground - Penalty. He was beaten off the line by Harper, a guy who's not a speedster, kind-of of a tweener or "joker" type receiver. Harper impressed me all week. Not only did Harper get the separation, but so too did Wheaton, often. On that highly publicized, overused, highlight (supposedly to showcase Trufant's coverage ability) Wheaton ran right bye him. Might as well call that a Whaeton highlight, becasue what it showed was that Trufant could NOT stay stride for stride with him. That deep pass Wheaton actually catches it, but it was thrown out of bounds - incomplete. Nonetheless, my point was Trufant was beaten by the speed.

Trufant is still a good player and I've liked him more and more recently, but the guy that stood out to me from the Senior Bowl was Alford.

Poyer looks smoother to my eye. He looks better in transition, shifting his weight and changing direction and he didn't resort to holding or other types of penalty: grabbing or pass interference to get the spot light on him, like Trufant.

Poyer played more Zone coverage while at Oregon State, so with the rules of the Senior Bowl he seemed natural playing off coverage. But the point I want to make is that he seems to have a reserved approach to his game, smooth, gliding and yet very effective at disrupting passes. Where he seemed to have a deficiency was giving room on the deep Go routes. You know, even today that pass which he high-pointed, nearly had the INT but it dropped to an incompletion, he had given room behind him to the receiver, the pass was just poorly underthrown by Wilson (the supposed leader of the pack).


Will Davis - - I laugh because every little internet person with a voice watched 1 play, 1 match-up, 1 double move and 1 mistake and said of Davis: "OOHhhhO beaTen BaD! Davis stock is a FaLLLiiGG!!!! - OMG"



Again, Will Davis jumped on a double move, it was against Denard Robinson. I'm not saying that people had/have agendas for this, but if it had been anyone else beside Denard Robinson, I almost think it would have been less of a deal. Davis jumps the out route and gets beat on the double move GO.

Everyone writes it as if Davis doesn't belong on the field, and surprisingly the media hype train has something to write about with Robinson. Again, my take is that it was driven by a blind locomotive engineer with nothing but Denard Shoelace Rob on the brain.

And from that 1 play everyone writes him off.

... And guess what, Will Davis just showed you why. When the lights are turned on , he gets a solid PD, then a deflected pass for an INT. You don't scrap a whole year's worth of scouting on 1 play from 1 week.

Davis is still a promising CB who is still learning to play at this level. I think he'll continue to get better.



Robert Alford was/is the one defensive back that has caught my eye from the senior bowl week. I didn't know anything about him before the week but I've seen enough to know this guy is legit. He's incredibly tight with his coverage and easily a press man guy.

The difference between Alford and Trufant is that Alford can stay kevlar close without having to resort to grabbing a guy's jersey. Alford can shift out of a break lightning quick while Trufant still has a good bit of ... I don't know what the word is ... something like when you hit the gas peddle in a V8, like an oldschool station wagon, it takes a second for all that mass to get moving. It's like lurching or "gathering" itself. That's what Trufant looks like in his breaks, like he's "gathering" himself for a second. While Alford moves with real "twitch."

The play between Patton and Alford was just amazing. A total battle for 30 some-odd yards. Patton ends up winning with a subtle push off and catches the ball for a TD. He lost his helmet too but still maintained possession. That play really showcased both of their talents: Alford got physical in Press, decent jam but Patton escaped, got upfield, Alford kept hand checking but stayed stride-for-stride, very close coverage, Patton with a subtle push to get body separation at the last second and the concentration to catch an arched rainbow pass on that GO, for the TD no less, Alford finished the play by diving on-top of Patton to try and jar the ball loose, Patton held on despite his helmet being knocked off.

Big play.

I like Alford and I'm new to him.
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From receivers:

Chris Harper - the receiver from K-State, constantly made separation and good catches. Harper was quicker out of his breaks, more sudden at 230 lbs than some of the 185 to 195 DBs. His arms and legs look long, even-though his total height is only 6 feet and 1/2 inches. It seems his limbs are pronouncedly longer, while the torso seems more compact. Essentially his limbs belong to someone who should be taller. So he has a catch range and leap range larger/wider than what his height would indicate. He looks longer than the measurables.

I see him like a joker receiver. Not too dissimilar with what you get from Delanie Walker. I mean to say, not the same physicality necessarily, but same type of diverse-ability (multiple use). I don't think Harper has the same mass or level of muscle like Walker, who can do more TE in addition to WR. Walker is around 245 lbs, Harper at 230 lbs. But Harper looks very similar in that he can line up outside and inside and block - be used in multiple ways.

I like his hands and again, he was sudden out of his breaks and had some deceiving speed. He actually ran bye some of the lighter and supposed quicker/faster DBs this week.

For O-line:

Winters had a good week as an interior lineman at Guard. His measurables have him more as an interior guy, at just a tick over 6'3" and with average arm length. Still though, I happen to like his pass-pro, he could play RT in my mind, maybe in a pinch or as a "swing man," but he's pretty solid as a LG - as shown throughout the week.

He actually stood up Brandon Williams a number of times in drills. Actually popped off his helmet with a hand-shiver and arched his back well to anchor against the bull rush.

Quessenberry has been covered this week, in here. I followed him last spring, watched 2011 tape on him. I was intrigued by him but was kind-of up and down with him. I never got that real definitive urge to rave about his style, there wasn't one thing that I could point to, something that exploded off the screen, about his game. I watched the Fales cut-ups this year to focus on DQ.

Again, each time I wanted to post about him, I felt like all I was bringing to the table was his team captain stuff, senior, etc - the shanahan criteria. I didn't feel like I had definitive game tape to point to and say "stud." Not like with Fisher, who it was easy to see right off the bat.

Quessenberry's week at the senior bowl was good. I saw a good anchor. That was what first jumped out, he seemed to handle guys that had 20 to 30 or more pounds on him. He also had pretty decent length in his measurables: arms - 33"78 // height - 6'5".

He had some decent fluidity in space, but not a runner like Fisher or Johnson. That's maybe why the Raiders staff decided to cover him up at Guard. But I saw that he could work well in the run game, drive. And I see him as a RT, he did drills on the edge at RT. He's probably going in the mid-rounds due to the upside as an edge blocker. His pass-pro seem to be his strong suit, moreso than the run game. I have no idea if he can cut block. I don't know if he's a real "runner" for that backside block or sliding off a tandem block to the 2nd level - especially if it's a quick/ fast LB who coming downhill fast. I just wonder a bit about DQ's overall quickness and speed.


Gilkey, even though he's 6'5" and change (near 6'6"), he looks like from his arm measurement that he'll be an interior guy. He was playing at LG (he was a D-II LT) and he's just a nasty player. Lots of pop to his game, can drive block and jolt guys.

Fisher just dominated and I'm glad to see that Dukes and my own read on that was correct. Validates things in a way.
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Safties:

Again, I've been on Rambo and Thomas the better part of the entire year and I have no reason to change that at all. Again, Rambo makes turnovers. And in today's game (meaning the game of football in general), the way things are set-up, offenses will score points. The defense will give up points, it's inevitable. But turnovers can become the equalizer. If the D can make the occasional play to swing tide, give a short field, score themselves or nullify drives that would otherwise yield points by getting these turnovers, that's what you need to capitalize upon in lieu of the game rules, which (again) provide an atmosphere where the offense WILL score.

Rambo makes turnovers.

That's why he's valuable. Because his type is needed in today's game.

Speaking of which, in today's game, Rambo got himself an INT. Can't say that's the first time I've seen that from him, nor the last, I would suspect.


Phillip Thomas is a lot more versatile in the pass defense than a good number of other saft8es in this class. He's not a guy that's going to Press the Slot exclusively, though he didn't shy from 1-on-1 drills this week in which he had single man coverage. So he's not pressed up on the Slot like you'd see from Vaccaro. He's not sized like a Linebacker, like McDonald and he's not going to play that Rover (nickel LB) that McDonald will, yet Thomas will make plays in Passes Defended - downfield. He'll also walk up in to the box, occasional, for run support. There are plays in his game tape in which he set the edge pretty well against a FB or pulling lineman this year (2012 - fresno st).

So while he's versed in Cover 2, I still say he's geared mostly for SS role. But a SS in the way in which the Skins use a SS, back in coverage, as opposed to what other teams like to do. Houston has Quin to play single man on the Slot and mostly the TE in single cover, in the box. OR Tampa, who will have a SS that's more like a LB in their 4-3 Over. More rover, more nickel LB. Thomas is more coverage developed than others ... like Duke Williams, to me.

Though I have limited cut-ups and whatever else material to go on, I saw a handful of plays by Thomas. I've read and heard respected people say he had a good week. So, while I like to see things for my own eyes, again, he made him name known.

I still like Thomas ... and I'm no longer just in the minority.


Cyprien is probably the other guy that I couldn't help but notice. I'm new to him as well. I like what I saw from him this week, particularity in run support. He plays with reckless abandon. Always flying around to lay a hit. Always animated after the play. He's a definition of SS. I'm new to him too.
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One guy I meant to write about was the LB from Florida State, he wore number 1 ... Vince Williams ( I had to look it up). I never really heard of him until this week. I saw some of the nastiest hits this week from that dude. In a play in which he was asked to blow up a gap based on reading the line movement, he literally sent the center from Clemson, Freeman, on his fanny after a devastating hit. I watched that guy hustle around all week in practice. He's not that tall, 60'04, might say undersized, diminutive, but he brought some pop.

[bird_1972]

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Monk,

Thanks for the effort on the lengthy write-up. I know I sound like a broken record, but I really feel strongly about upgrading at NT if we're in a position to do so. I think a more solid front seven would help us be able to maintain pressure on the QB without having to blitz and would make our secondary look better.

Any opinions on any of the DTs or NTs you saw at the Senior Bowl?

[rk3025]

Jammal Brown is at the Pro Bowl with Trent Williams and maybe healthy now.

[Daaskins]

Jammal Brown is at the Pro Bowl with Trent Williams and maybe healthy now.

Very interesting right here. At the end of the 2011 season he was doing great.

[acuratl1984]

Jammal Brown is at the Pro Bowl with Trent Williams and maybe healthy now.

He was also healthy at the beginning of the year, he practice once and was out for the rest of the year... It's time to move on.

[Skinsinparadise]

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/c...ilar-top-7-cbs

Most teams have similar CBs listed in their top seven prospects at the position, according to draft insider Tony Pauline.
Dee Milliner of Alabama, Desmond Trufant of Washington, Xavier Rhodes of Florida State, Johnthan Banks of Mississippi State, Blidi Wreh-Wilson of UConn, Jamar Taylor of Boise State and Darius Slay of Mississippi State are the seven. Pauline adds there was limited mention of Logan Ryan, and teams worry about San Diego State's Leon McFadden's height. Apparently teams also have concerns over Jordan Poyer's speed.

[NLC1054]

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/c...ilar-top-7-cbs

Most teams have similar CBs listed in their top seven prospects at the position, according to draft insider Tony Pauline.
Dee Milliner of Alabama, Desmond Trufant of Washington, Xavier Rhodes of Florida State, Johnthan Banks of Mississippi State, Blidi Wreh-Wilson of UConn, Jamar Taylor of Boise State and Darius Slay of Mississippi State are the seven. Pauline adds there was limited mention of Logan Ryan, and teams worry about San Diego State's Leon McFadden's height. Apparently teams also have concerns over Jordan Poyer's speed.

If this is true, I'll gladly let Poyer fall into our lap.

[darrelgreenie]

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/c...ilar-top-7-cbs

Most teams have similar CBs listed in their top seven prospects at the position, according to draft insider Tony Pauline.
Dee Milliner of Alabama, Desmond Trufant of Washington, Xavier Rhodes of Florida State, Johnthan Banks of Mississippi State, Blidi Wreh-Wilson of UConn, Jamar Taylor of Boise State and Darius Slay of Mississippi State are the seven. Pauline adds there was limited mention of Logan Ryan, and teams worry about San Diego State's Leon McFadden's height. Apparently teams also have concerns over Jordan Poyer's speed.

If Pauline is correct that those are the top 7 CBs if we judge against last years draft the 7th CB was drafted in the 3rd round.
But, I don't think Pauline is correct. Its lying season and FO personnel guard their actual draft grades of the prospects like their top secret information.
I doubt scout, exec or team official is going to tell a memeber of the media the whole truth about anything.
I doubt that Jordan Poyer isn't in the top 7. I doubt that Robert Alford isn't somewhere in the mix as well.

But, draft ranking are fluid and people can question a prospect speed or height or size or whatever..up until the combine and pro-day.
And when Poyer runs 4.4ish then those 'doubts' will vanish.

I find it interesting that there was no mention of Amerson. Amerson doesn't fit everyone scheme but getting him in the 3rd would be like stealing.

[Dukes and Skins]

If this is true, I'll gladly let Poyer fall into our lap.

Fully agree. Let the guy just come to us and make it easier