2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[RWJ]

The more I watch, the more I love Jordan Reed as a joker TE

He seems like a TE/H-Back type player. Maybe another Cooley?

[Skinsinparadise]

Not sure if anyone posted this, JLC's thoughts on what big players will be cap causalities

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2...igname-victims

Edit: sorry meant to post that in FA thread, Kiper's new mock is coming out tomorrow.

[darrelgreenie]

RBs /WRs:
....Harper-reminds me on Anquan Boldin moves well despite his size, doesn't appear to have great speed but gets in and out of his breaks well and shows agility when playing/reacting to the ball in the air

Aaron Mellette-Physical skillset of a prototypical WCO WRs. But is very, very, raw.

Guys I would like as ZBS backs- Franklin UCLA, Stefon Taylor Stanford, Gillisee Florida

I agree with Monk about Harper. I've had him in some of my previous mocks.
Above are my thoughts about Harper from the Senior Bowl (for a frame of reference).

And it actually turns out I was wrong about my thoughts on his speed. I thought Harper's quickness in and out of his breaks were 'inspite' his speed but it turns out it might be because of his speed. I looked up his projected 40 time on nfldraftscout and they put him at 4.35 on the low end and 4.57 on the high end 4.46 avg. For a 6'1-228 pound WR that is hella fast. The NFL WR he reminds me of the most in Q and he 6'1-216 and ran a (don't faint) 4.72!

[skinzwiz]

I agree with Monk about Harper. I've had him in some of my previous mocks.
Above are my thoughts about Harper from the Senior Bowl (for a frame of reference).

And it actually turns out I was wrong about my thoughts on his speed. I thought Harper's quickness in and out of his breaks were 'inspite' his speed but it turns out it might be because of his speed. I looked up his projected 40 time on nfldraftscout and they put him at 4.35 on the low end and 4.57 on the high end 4.46 avg. For a 6'1-228 pound WR that is hella fast. The NFL WR he reminds me of the most in Q and he 6'1-216 and ran a (don't faint) 4.72!

How is 4.35 his low when he has never even looked remotely close that speed? I see him running 4.5 at best.

[NLC1054]

How is 4.35 his low when he has never even looked remotely close that speed? I see him running 4.5 at best.

It's a rough estimate. He'll probably run in the mid 4.4's, which is still plenty fast.

[darrelgreenie]

Fewer off the field issues? Are you serious? .....
But that doesn't even count as the more off the field issues to me. Vontaze got into a locker room fight, blamed his coaches for a down junior season and, the real kicker when you say Matthieu has more off-field issues, Vontaze tested positive for marijuana at the combine! I'm sorry, but saying Burfict was a cleaner prospect is just wrong. We can debate better, but cleaner isn't right.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012...urfict-bum-rap

Too often players are written off in the draft because of rumors, reputations and recurring doubts about size, speed and other measurables. Burfict fell right into that category. He was a talent with enough college achievements to excite pro teams and enough head-scratching mistakes to scare them away.

too willing to blame a disappointing junior season on his Arizona State coaches. Lewis saw him a few weeks later at Arizona State's pro day and witnessed another indication of the kid the scouts spurned. After running another mediocre 40 time, he refused to do any more sprinting that afternoon.

Burfict wasn't a troublemaker off the field, as many people had speculated

Burfict did fail a drug test at the combine the other player that failed that year, Jayron Hosley, was drafted in the 3rd round, he is part of long list of players that failed a drug test at the combine and were still drafted (many of them drafted high). Point being is that failing a drug test at the combine isn't the scarlett letter you make it out to be.

Now on to cotton moth *ahem* my mistake Honey Badger.....

Tyrann Mathieu was kicked off his football team in 2012 with the chance to return in 2012. The dismissal was due to his failing multiple drug tests. As opposed to get himself together to return to LSU football the following year he "withdrew" from school to enter "rehab". Mathieu was then arrested in October on possession of marijuana.
Mathieu has not played football in a year.

Off the field score card:
Burifict=popped hot at the combine for weed,

Badger=kicked off LSU (yeah, lol, he actually got kicked off the LSU football team) for multiple failed drug tests; left school to enroll in drug rehab and was later arrested for possession of the sweet, sweet chiba; consequently has not played football for a year

[Dukes and Skins]

He seems like a TE/H-Back type player. Maybe another Cooley?

Think Aaron Hernandez

[darrelgreenie]

How is 4.35 his low when he has never even looked remotely close that speed?

You mean never looked remotely that close to that speed to you.

But think about it for a second. If you're giving an estimate that has to consist of a low/avg/high then shouldn't there be a differnce in each number?
Therefore if they believe the avg to be 4.46 which is where most sites (draftcountdown, SI, cbs, national football post) have him then if you're gonna estimate a low(fast time) then its going to be faster then the average right?

But, if you really want to find out nfldraftscouts process for their low/high and avg estimations you're gonna have to contact them. But over time they've proven to be pretty accurate on top of being a well respected draft site. My guess is they probably search for highschool track and field times and extrapolate from their.

I see him running 4.5 at best

*shrugs* okay

[RWJ]

Think Aaron Hernandez

He's slated in alot of mock drafts in the top 3 TE's available.

[skinzwiz]

You mean never looked remotely that close to that speed to you.

Show me 1 highlight where he showed that kind of speed.

And I respect your opinions, but comparing him to Anquan Boldin is ridiculous to me. I've never seen another WR that consistently pulls down tough catches with a defenders hand on the ball like Boldin and I defenitely don't see that in Harper.

[darrelgreenie]

Show me 1 highlight where he showed that kind of speed.

Now he could run a high 4.4, but I don't get the "4.35 low stuff." He has never shown that type of speed. If they want to say they expect him to run 4.46 then fine. I just don't think his "low" should be 4.35 because if you see him, you no he can't run that fast. I don't see him clocking any faster than a Josh Morgan.

I'm not sure how/why this is a response to me previous post. You're just restating the same thing you said before and my response would be the same things I said in my previous post. If player X's average time is 4.46 and someone ask you to estimate their fastest possible time would you still pick 4.46?
I don't know of any other way to put it to get you on the same wavelength. Its an estimate of the fastest time they expect him to run. They're not saying he's gonna run a 4.35.

I don't know what you want me to say? Its duely noted that you think their fast time estimate is too fast. Okay.

But saying someone can't run fast because you don't see it in them is fairly shallow, I'm certain they put a little more time into their estimate then um well he looks fast or doesn't look fast.

And over the years, like I said in previous post they been accurate.

BTW-Have you visited nfldraftscout before? Because maybe this is simply an issue being unfamiliar with their format?

[Dukes and Skins]

He's slated in alot of mock drafts in the top 3 TE's available.

I also think we end up addressing TE in round 3 or 4

[RWJ]

I also think we end up addressing TE in round 3 or 4

Yes, I am going to change my wishlist to be more in line with what LL has tweeted about not being surprised about us going more offense than defense in the draft.

[Dukes and Skins]

Yes, I am going to change my wishlist to be more in line with what LL has tweeted about not being surprised about us going more offense than defense in the draft.

A draft that adds more to the O weapons wise is needed. Doesn't mean we can't get a D player when the value is right, but we cant just exclude one position. Also with Mike's history of strict BPA it wouldn't surprise me to see it continue again

[Monk4thaHALL]

I would rather have Dobson in the second than settle for Harper in the fourth.

Well, I’d rather have Wheaton than Dobson. I would rather have Austin, Wheaton or Patton instead of just Harper. But ...

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A draft that adds more to the O weapons wise is needed. Doesn't mean we can't get a D player when the value is right, but we cant just exclude one position. Also with Mike's history of strict BPA it wouldn't surprise me to see it continue again

Well, this is just the way I feel: Even if Lynch was brought in from FA, or whomever of the mid-range (affordable) FA safeties, I'd still draft a FS & SS at some point in the draft.