2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[Monk4thaHALL]

Michael Clay 2011 Highlights


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Michael Clay in the Rose Bowl Jan. 2012



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Rex Burkhead Career Highlights



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Rex Burkhead vs Georgia Capital One Bowl 2013



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Catapano, Burkhead, Clay.

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A.J. Francis (Maryland) #96, Devin Taylor (South Carolina) #98, Mike Catapano (Princeton) #77, (Vellano not shown) - Shrine Game:

[Laron Burgundy]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012...urfict-bum-rap



Burfict did fail a drug test at the combine the other player that failed that year, Jayron Hosley, was drafted in the 3rd round, he is part of long list of players that failed a drug test at the combine and were still drafted (many of them drafted high). Point being is that failing a drug test at the combine isn't the scarlett letter you make it out to be.

Now on to cotton moth *ahem* my mistake Honey Badger.....

Tyrann Mathieu was kicked off his football team in 2012 with the chance to return in 2012. The dismissal was due to his failing multiple drug tests. As opposed to get himself together to return to LSU football the following year he "withdrew" from school to enter "rehab". Mathieu was then arrested in October on possession of marijuana.
Mathieu has not played football in a year.

Off the field score card:
Burifict=popped hot at the combine for weed,

Badger=kicked off LSU (yeah, lol, he actually got kicked off the LSU football team) for multiple failed drug tests; left school to enroll in drug rehab and was later arrested for possession of the sweet, sweet chiba; consequently has not played football for a year

You're right, Vontaze only smoked weed that one time before the combine.

Complete joke if you think Vontaze wouldn't also have been busted with multiple drug test. The reason the combine is actually a more grave offense, to any reasonable person, is because you KNOW that drug test is coming, and it will cost you millions, and yet you're still a big enough idiot to smoke marijuana before it. Matthieu has nothing but good things to say about his coaches DESPITE them destroying his draft stock by suspending him and felt so much team pride he refused to play anywhere else. Yeah, he made mistakes with drugs, but we're not talking hard drugs here, one former player estimates at least 50% of the nfl smokes pot. If Matthieu fails the combine drug test then we know they are equally stupid, but calling one player out for multiple random drug tests and saying that is more off field issues than fighting with your teammates, bad talking your coaches, AND failing a pre-determined drug test is... well, silly?

If suspension is your trump card, don't you think if Vontaze was actually tested he would have been as well? I mean, let's not be naive, Vontaze admits to smoking weed in college, so it's likely he would have tested positive multiple times as well, had he been tested. LSU was just keeping its nose clean by suspending Matthieu, the NCAA has handed out quite a few sanctions recently.

You linked an article that just said Marvin Lewis took a chance on a hothead Vontaze and it actually paid off. Doesn't try to disprove his off field issues or say he's more talented, so I'm not really sure what the point of it was.

[darrelgreenie]

You're riight....

l know and you should have stopped there. The rest of your post is rife with inaccuracies and shoulda/woulda/couldas.

[Monk4thaHALL]

interview: http://www.miamidolphins.com/media/v...2-050d9bd13cfe
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Johnathan Cyprien vs Louisville (2012)


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Johnathan Cyprien vs Florida Atlantic (2012)


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Johnathan Cyprien vs Western Kentucky (2012)

[darrelgreenie]

Maybe I'm being sensative but maybe I'm flat out wrong. But, I've noticed an increase in petty, base classic internet forum style discussion popping up more and more in this thread. Imo Its needless. We don't need to approach each other in this manner. And when one person does it eventually people will react and then its a downward spiral from there. I respect everyones opinions in this thread and even though we often disagree I'm not gonna start labeling or categorizing your opinions. Everyone is entitled to theirs. But there is no call for indignation in response to another posters opinions about a prospect or concept.

We discuss skillset and projections prospects and players and schemes etc. We're usually talking about players that are already the very best in their sport.
We're also talking about a sport where the true difference between 1st round talents and a 7th round talent is typically not as large a gap as we would like to think. And history bears this out.
We're talking about a sector of football where a .500 success rate is good. That draft is a crap shoot and we all know the intangibles are equally if not more important then the measureables so we already begin at a disadvantage because we're not in position to assess the most important part of the process.
But, we make an effort to intelligently discuss the prospects despite are limited access.
There are various preferences that guide how different people rank prospects some like speed or some like size; some like upside or some like production etc ad nasuem.
Some view prospects through a negative lense like a scout would with the aim of self preservation; 'hey I told you that prospect had flaws X, Y and Z....'
Some view the prospects through a positive lense like coach, 'tell me what trait this player has that can help me win a game....'

Over the years this thread has been a place for pure unadulterated usually open minded football discussion that tries hard and usually achieves that discussion without resorting to the petty name calling and other sillyness that is typically of most threads/internent forums in general.

I hope this is a general reminder, and maybe I'm the only one that needs it, to respect each other and post in manner that reflects that respect.



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Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxTBKjPBgQ
Played mostly in the box practically on the LOS in this game; didn't hit with pop, took some questionable angles early but settled down, needs to bring his arms more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU5vsum2vHw
played some deep 1/2 Safety and made some plays in deep zone (int) and made some nice hits, good man coverage near the redzone got beat by a better throw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpWdR8WhX6E
perfect read and hit on a screen,nice hit/strip in deep half coverage, beat deep in 1/2 field coverage, follows up with a nice INT in half field coverage

[Laron Burgundy]

l know and you should have stopped there. The rest of your post is rife with inaccuracies and shoulda/woulda/couldas.

[edit]Saw your second post. Changing this one. If you want to make a blanket statement you should have the courtesy of backing it up. If my post was so wrong, then go ahead and dissect it. Past this point if you want to discuss it civilly, by all means lets. My rather edited and more neutral argument would be that they both smoked marijuana multiple times. Vontaze had more problems outside of that, as he clearly had an anger issue. If this were heroin or cocaine, I'd pause for a bit, but like I said, likely 50% of the nfl smokes weed; it's really almost a non-issue to anyone under 40.[/edit]

[darrelgreenie]

Which player's college transgressions were egregious enough to get him kicked off the team?

Which player consequently missed an entire season of football?

Which player needed to be enrolled in drug re-hab?

Which player was arrested for possesion after being in rehab?

[Laron Burgundy]

Which player's college transgressions were egregious enough to get him kicked off the team?

Which player consequently missed an entire season of football?

Which player needed to be enrolled in drug re-hab?

Which player was arrested for possesion after being in rehab?

You're still talking about two players who both smoked weed multiple times. Drug rehab was more of a publicity stunt, marijuana is less addictive than cigarettes. When you're involved in that culture, that's what they do. His problem was he had the same friends and he caved to peer pressure. Yes, it's illegal, but so was Johnny Manziel drinking after his bowl win. I guarantee you the vast majority of college football players drank underage, and what we're talking about is the same thing.

You know elite athletes like Ricky Williams, Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony are huge potheads, and that's just a few of the many I'm sure. It's not like he's Sam Hurd or Matt Jones pedaling in hard drugs. We know our very own Trent and Fred smoke weed, or they used to. They still played at an elite level while doing it. If he tests clean at the combine, is he straightened up enough?

[skinzwiz]

Well, I’d rather have Wheaton than Dobson. I would rather have Austin, Wheaton or Patton instead of just Harper. But ...

But what?

One thing though, why do you like Wheaton more than Dobson?

[SJValleySkinz]

You're right, Vontaze only smoked weed that one time before the combine.

Complete joke if you think Vontaze wouldn't also have been busted with multiple drug test. The reason the combine is actually a more grave offense, to any reasonable person, is because you KNOW that drug test is coming, and it will cost you millions, and yet you're still a big enough idiot to smoke marijuana before it. Matthieu has nothing but good things to say about his coaches DESPITE them destroying his draft stock by suspending him and felt so much team pride he refused to play anywhere else. Yeah, he made mistakes with drugs, but we're not talking hard drugs here, one former player estimates at least 50% of the nfl smokes pot. If Matthieu fails the combine drug test then we know they are equally stupid, but calling one player out for multiple random drug tests and saying that is more off field issues than fighting with your teammates, bad talking your coaches, AND failing a pre-determined drug test is... well, silly?

If suspension is your trump card, don't you think if Vontaze was actually tested he would have been as well? I mean, let's not be naive, Vontaze admits to smoking weed in college, so it's likely he would have tested positive multiple times as well, had he been tested. LSU was just keeping its nose clean by suspending Matthieu, the NCAA has handed out quite a few sanctions recently.

You linked an article that just said Marvin Lewis took a chance on a hothead Vontaze and it actually paid off. Doesn't try to disprove his off field issues or say he's more talented, so I'm not really sure what the point of it was.

Yeah, it was all the coaches.

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You're still talking about two players who both smoked weed multiple times. Drug rehab was more of a publicity stunt, marijuana is less addictive than cigarettes. When you're involved in that culture, that's what they do. His problem was he had the same friends and he caved to peer pressure. Yes, it's illegal, but so was Johnny Manziel drinking after his bowl win. I guarantee you the vast majority of college football players drank underage, and what we're talking about is the same thing.

You know elite athletes like Ricky Williams, Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony are huge potheads, and that's just a few of the many I'm sure. It's not like he's Sam Hurd or Matt Jones pedaling in hard drugs. We know our very own Trent and Fred smoke weed, or they used to. They still played at an elite level while doing it. If he tests clean at the combine, is he straightened up enough?

Whether the transgresion itself is a big deal in general is irellevant. What makes it a big deal is the fact that he couldn't put it down even though he knew his future was at stake. I'm about as 420 friendly as they come but the fact remains that federal law isn't and he chose to smoke even after he got one more chance than he deserved. No sympathy for him or anyone else that gets to play football at that level with the NFL within his grasp. That's a privilege that so many would kill for so he can either go without or go play football in Holland.

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You're still talking about two players who both smoked weed multiple times. Drug rehab was more of a publicity stunt, marijuana is less addictive than cigarettes. When you're involved in that culture, that's what they do. His problem was he had the same friends and he caved to peer pressure. Yes, it's illegal, but so was Johnny Manziel drinking after his bowl win. I guarantee you the vast majority of college football players drank underage, and what we're talking about is the same thing.

You know elite athletes like Ricky Williams, Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony are huge potheads, and that's just a few of the many I'm sure. It's not like he's Sam Hurd or Matt Jones pedaling in hard drugs. We know our very own Trent and Fred smoke weed, or they used to. They still played at an elite level while doing it. If he tests clean at the combine, is he straightened up enough?

Double post.

[Dukes and Skins]

Well, I’d rather have Wheaton than Dobson. I would rather have Austin, Wheaton or Patton instead of just Harper. But ...

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Well, this is just the way I feel: Even if Lynch was brought in from FA, or whomever of the mid-range (affordable) FA safeties, I'd still draft a FS & SS at some point in the draft.

Not saying I disagree, just my gut feeling that Mike will continue to build the O. Have had that feeling for a while even though I look at the secondary class and see a lot of talent

[NewEraofSkins08]

Not saying I disagree, just my gut feeling that Mike will continue to build the O. Have had that feeling for a while even though I look at the secondary class and see a lot of talent

Yeah I saw LL tweet something about Shanny isn't done surrounding RG3 with talent yet. Should be an interesting off-season, as usual.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Not saying I disagree, just my gut feeling that Mike will continue to build the O. Have had that feeling for a while even though I look at the secondary class and see a lot of talent

I think it's more about the juxtaposition between what's available in the draft and what can be reasonably afforded in Free agency. It's less a philosophy and more about reality in relation to roster need.

I think the FO is realizing just how limited the draft is at getting a Day 1 starter at Free Safety ... not Strong Safety. SS can be had a bit later on. But there's a limitation to true Free Safeties after Rambo. And the good Strong Safeties, like Phillip Thomas and Cyrpien are both probably gone in the 2nd, possibly even before the Skins have their first selection.

I believe they see the gulf and say, 'lets get an NFL body for that position of need (FS), one who already in the NFL.'

That in turn allows for the freedom, ability, luxury - whatever you want to call it, in order to get an offensive player.

And remember I was very much on the Tavon Austin tip, the Quinton Patton tip, to improve the offense back in October.

So I know what you're saying.

[SkinsTillIDie]

I think conventional (sideline) wisdom suggests that we'll target safety/cornerback in the draft because they are our most glaring weaknesses. Of course, Shanahan has never really enacted an offseason plan that aligns with the conventional wisdom.

I'd imagine that we will be extremely aggressive in free agency fixing our most gaping holes in the secondary, addressing the area in a similar manner as we did wide receivers last year with Garcon + Morgan (even after we were hit with the egregious cap penalty on the eve of free agency)

I simply can't see us relying on the crapshoot lottery of the draft to pencil in starters anywhere on the team.

Shanahan has frequently used premium picks on players who were considered 'developmental' prospects to some degree, players who weren't expected to be anything more than backups in their initial season. Jarvis Jenkins with our 2nd rounder when we had 3 veteran starters on expensive free agent contracts; Hankerson and LeRibeus in the 3rd, Keenan Robinson and Kirk Cousins in the 4th, etc.

Targeting defensive players in free agency and offensive players in the draft makes a lot of sense.

At WR, Josh Morgan is on a one-year deal, while Hankerson and Robinson are entering the 'make-or-break' third seasons. It makes sense to groom another receiver in the meantime, with the likelihood that none of the aforementioned trio prove to be a consistent, dynamic starting-caliber wide receiver. It was clear as day how limited our offense was in Garcon's absence. Furthermore, we have no replacement at slot receiver once Moss departs.

Right tackle is an obvious need. It's been a problem position for 3 straight seasons. Wouldn't even surprise me to see us spend our 2nd rounder there, and not even play him until 2014 after a season of grooming.

I think we need more manpower up front for the drop-back passing game, the likes of which our offensive line had great trouble protecting in certain situations/games this year. And more firepower in our passing game, more speed in our backfield. A 3rd down explosive Sproles-like scat back is another element our roster is missing

The future of the NFL is geared to crowning the best offenses in the league. Just looking at this offseason's head coaching hires, every team in the league is looking to build that next explosive offense. It makes a lot of sense to spend our draft resources adding more weapons to an offense and solidifying a unit that is still quite far from reaching its potential.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Kerwynn Williams 2012 Utah State Senior Highlights


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Kerwynn Williams vs San Jose State (2012)


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Kerwynn Williams vs UNLV 2012
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John Lotulelei (UNLV) #55 - MLB



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But what?

Suspension of disbelief.

One thing though, why do you like Wheaton more than Dobson?

More scheme diverse.