2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[darrelgreenie]

The whole joint:

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2013/2...onference-call

Q: I cover the Redskins here in Washington. I'm looking at your positional rankings. Just wondering if you could extrapolate your top 5 free safeties sort of with an eye towards who might be available for the Redskins at 51?

MAYOCK: I'm a big believer [Kenny] Vaccaro is going to be gone in the top 20. I think Matt Elam is kind of a late one to mid‑two, and I think Johnathan Cyprien from Florida International is a guy you ought to be looking really closely at. He had a great Senior Bowl week. I've got him as my number three safety. I think he's a guy that's going to be around somewhere in that middle to end of the second round. I think he could start immediately for the Washington Redskins, and he makes a ton of sense.
After those three, there is a little bit of a drop off, and it depends on what kind of player you like. [Eric] Reid, Zeke Motta, Phillip Thomas, J.J. Wilcox - they're all kind of third‑round picks.
So I think the guy you ought to be looking at is Cyprien as a guy that could be available and there is a dropoff after him. He can play both, but I like him at three.

[STBonecrusher21]

I'm really liking what I see on these vids of Cyprien playing FS, especially this one against Louisville. He's reminding me of Earl Thomas. Great range for his size, and packs a punch when he gets there.

[Skinsinparadise]

The whole joint:

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2013/2...onference-call

Granted these are just mocks, but Cyprien I've now seen in the first round in three different mocks of late, including one on NFL.com and just now on Walterfootball.com. At the minimum he has some buzz and isn't flying below the radar.

[darrelgreenie]

Granted these are just mocks, but Cyprien I've now seen in the first round in three different mocks of late, including one on NFL.com and just now on Walterfootball.com. At the minimum he has some buzz and isn't flying below the radar.

Gil Brandt has him in the 3rd roundish also. I don't think the draftnik 'buzz' effects actual draft stock.
I looked at Cyprien's cut-ups before Senior bowl. And he looked good at the Senior Bowl, he was active and played with physicality. But imho he didn't vault ahead of some of the other prospects.

But, that post wasn't meant to be about Cyprien. Just wanted to post a link to Mayocks entire Combine press conference.

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Cyprien isn an interesting case. I heard about him before the Senior Bowl. Now post Senior Bowl the rest of the mainstream draftniks have caught on and he's gone from off the radar/underrated to imo overhyped.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Well, 3 months out, a lot can change. And I can guarantee you there are plenty of players I have yet to look into that I am leaving out of consideration ... and it seems that every year I see 4-5 guys available that I "liked" aka I had heard their names thrown around enough to identify them as guys "that I really want" ... only to have us pass them over for some lesser known guy at a position we didn't necessarily expect to get targeted. Case and point, I really wanted Zebrie Sanders last year in the 3rd round. When we drafted LeReibus I was miffed ... well I should have known to trust Shanahan, and I'm excited for LeReibus to get some time this year.

So that said, I fully expect Jonathan Cyprien, Xavier Rhodes and Tavon Austin to ALL be there for us when we pick in the 2nd round and have Shanahan go with an OC valued in the 5th round. That's kind of a joke ... but ... not really at the same time. I can fall in love with some of these guys' talent based on message board fodder but when it comes down to it, maybe one, of all the names dropped, will actually be on the Redskins.

But now that I've gotten that off my chest ... if we could get Cyprien in the 2nd, Wheaton in the 3rd and either Webb and or Mathieu I will have happy regardless of the other picks.

[Skinsinparadise]

So that said, I fully expect Jonathan Cyprien, Xavier Rhodes and Tavon Austin to ALL be there for us when we pick in the 2nd round and have Shanahan go with an OC valued in the 5th round. That's kind of a joke ... but ... not really at the same time. I can fall in love with some of these guys' talent based on message board fodder but when it comes down to it, maybe one, of all the names dropped, will actually be on the Redskins.

But now that I've gotten that off my chest ... if we could get Cyprien in the 2nd, Wheaton in the 3rd and either Webb and or Mathieu I will have happy regardless of the other picks.

Agree about LeReibus. He wasn't mentioned in most of my draft magazines or seen much in the typical mock. But otherwise I don't recall any really left field picks from Shanny in terms of unknown or little known players drafted in the 1st thru 5th rounds. Rumor was we'd take one of the LTs during Shanny's first year, and i recall it was Mayock saying expect Shanny to go with Trent over Okung becuase he's a better fit for zone. If i recall we didn't have a 2nd or third. Perry Riley in the 4th round was about right, he was in mocks around there. The next draft, in his pressers Shanny talked about finding a pass rusher being the priority. Many of us talked up QB -- but Shanny said he was comfortable with Beck and he apparently meant it. Jenkins was a known guy, I recall Charles Davis talking him up in Path to the Draft. Hankerson was well known. Ditto for where they drafted Niles Paul and Helu. Last draft, I heard of Compton and Gettis - Kiper had them ranked highly. Kirk Cousins of course was high profile. Keenan Robinson also was about right for the 4th round and a known guy.

Yeah LeReibus was a left field pick for the draft geeks and me too. First time, I can recall in a long time of not having heard of the player when the Redskins selected them -- at least in the first 5 rounds. I recall Kiper talking about Gettis when we drafted him saying he had him ranked higher on his board versus LeReibus. But that pick IMO is really an outlier for Shanny as opposed to a defining pick. As much as Shanny is about subterfuge during the season, he for better or worse seems fairly direct in his predraft pressers so this one this year should be interesting.

[ConnSKINS26]

Agree about LeReibus. He wasn't mentioned in most of my draft magazines or seen much in the typical mock. But otherwise I don't recall any really left field picks from Shanny in terms of unknown or little known players drafted in the 1st thru 5th rounds. Rumor was we'd take one of the LTs during Shanny's first year, and i recall it was Mayock saying expect Shanny to go with Trent over Okung becuase he's a better fit for zone. If i recall we didn't have a 2nd or third. Perry Riley in the 4th round was about right, he was in mocks around there. The next draft, in his pressers Shanny talked about finding a pass rusher being the priority. Many of us talked up QB -- but Shanny said he was comfortable with Beck and he apparently meant it. Jenkins was a known guy, I recall Charles Davis talking him up in Path to the Draft. Hankerson was well known. Ditto for where they drafted Niles Paul and Helu. Last draft, I heard of Compton and Gettis - Kiper had them ranked highly. Kirk Cousins of course was high profile. Keenan Robinson also was about right for the 4th round and a known guy.

Yeah LeReibus was a left field pick for the draft geeks. I recall Kiper talking about Gettis when we drafted him saying he had him ranked higher on his board versus LeReibus. But that pick IMO is really an outlier for Shanny as opposed to a defining pick. As much as Shanny is about subterfuge during the season, he for better or worse seems fairly direct in his predraft pressers so this one this year should be interesting.

Except for the biggest WTMF pick of them all--Dennis Morris.

[Skinsinparadise]

Except for the biggest WTMF pick of them all--Dennis Morris.

He was a 6th rounder. I said 1st through the 5th round. It seems 6th and 7th rounders are often projects and guys that aren't always on the radar screen of the draft geeks. That's why you rarely hear the words "surprise" in terms of a guy taken in the 6th or 7th round. If its a surprise its in terms of a guy projected to go higher in the draft. Like when we took Selvish Capers. Capers was a 4th and 5th rounder in a lot of mocks. Obviously teams knew what they were doing by passing on him.

[ConnSKINS26]

He was a 6th rounder. I said 1st through the 5th round. It seems 6th and 7th rounders are often projects and guys that aren't always on the radar screen of the draft geeks. That's why you rarely hear the words "surprise" in terms of a guy taken in the 6th or 7th round. If its a surprise its in terms of a guy projected to go higher in the draft. Like when we took Selvish Capers. Capers was a 4th and 5th rounder in a lot of mocks. Obviously teams knew what they were doing by passing on him.

I was joking, because Morris was so out of left field, not actually correcting your post.

Those are the interesting cases to me, the guys that drop like rocks in the draft to the shock of all onlooking fans and draftniks. Most of the time it's injury (Polk) or character (Burfict--less of a surprise). Sometimes a combination of both. But it's always fun to watch, because you just never know.

For instance last year we got Minnifield as an UDFA and the Pats got Al Dennard in the 7th (one of those no-brainer picks of a talented guy with questionable character that is of course working out). Nobody could have seen that coming. I had Minnifield mocked to us in the 4th-5th and that was considered a huge fall, and I was ecstatic we got him after he fell all the way out of the draft.

All this is reminding me why I love watching the draft so much, and why I don't mind the three day format.

With how deep this WR class is, I guarantee there will be a couple of ridiculous values, guys that fall all the way to the 5th-6th who many had in their top-10 at the position because they're all so close and we can only know so much compared to teams.

[skinzwiz]

With how deep this WR class is, I guarantee there will be a couple of ridiculous values, guys that fall all the way to the 5th-6th who many had in their top-10 at the position because they're all so close and we can only know so much compared to teams.

There's a lot of talented WRs but I think 5th-6th is a little too late to pick one that you want to make an impact. After guys like Wheaton, Williams, Dobson, and Patton in the second, I think there is a sizeable drop off. I do like Sanders though and it is possible
or him to he available in the fifth, but he's really only a slot imo.

I know people like Steadman Bailey, but I think he's overrated to be considered a second rounder. His run after catch and physical skillset is not enough imo. He is a very good reliable possession WR, but I think this team would be better served to add explosiveness.

[Skinsinparadise]

I was joking, because Morris was so out of left field, not actually correcting your post.

Funny I was going to ask if you were joking but I figured I'd let it ride because if you weren't joking and I asked if you were, you might take it as an unintended shot.

For instance last year we got Minnifield as an UDFA and the Pats got Al Dennard in the 7th (one of those no-brainer picks of a talented guy with questionable character that is of course working out). Nobody could have seen that coming. I had Minnifield mocked to us in the 4th-5th and that was considered a huge fall, and I was ecstatic we got him after he fell all the way out of the draft.

Yeah I recall Minnifield as even a third rounder in some mocks.

With how deep this WR class is, I guarantee there will be a couple of ridiculous values, guys that fall all the way to the 5th-6th who many had in their top-10 at the position because they're all so close and we can only know so much compared to teams.

Agree and it plays off of a point I've been making on this thread. WR in particular tends to have guys that drop. Devin Thomas was a first rounder in most mocks. Hankerson was a high 2nd. Ruben Randle a high 2nd, etc. In various posts, people are saying Austin, Patton, T, Williams, Wheaton, etc aren't going to be there at our pick. But if this draft goes like they typically do, there will be one of those top guys available at our pick. A guy that in "theory" we don't expect to be there but will. And, yeah as to the 5th round yeah it wouldn't shock me to see Da Rick Rogers or Ryan Swope, etc.

[DogofWar1]

So after thinking long and hard about it, I finally put together a mock I like. I think these players have a pretty good chance of being around when we pick, and aren't pipe dreams.

2nd: John Cyprien - S - pretty self explanatory honestly.
3rd: Leon McFadden - CB - This pick is interesting, I was aiming for a CB here, and there are some guys who might be better who fall to the 3rd, but McFadden is likely to be here and would be decent value
4th: Ryan Swope - WR - He's been compared to Wes Welker a lot, and he'd probably excel in the slot as a numbers accumulator.
5th (#1): Quanterius Smith - OLB - Strikes me as a Shanny pick, for whatever reason. Kid was a beast, but got injured, so he's slated to go later, but I wouldn't mind scooping him up here.
5th (#2): Theo Riddick - RB - Converted WR, his top end speed isn't blazing, but he's a pass catching threat, something we sorely need.
6th: Tanner Hawkinson - OT - Mostly read that he's a developmental RT for the NFL, which is fine, that's what we'd be looking at in the 6th anyway.
7th: Steve Greer - ILB - Seems like a guy who might succeed at the next level, if he's here this later, he'd be great to groom.

For UDFAs, I'd like us to take a look at maybe Elvis Fisher and, if he doesn't get drafted, Mauti as well. Their injury history concerns me, but both look like NFL caliber players when healthy.

[Monk4thaHALL]

from: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132070/jordan-mills

  Jordan Mills | Tackle

Team: 	        Louisiana Tech Bulldogs
Age / DOB:  	22 / 12/24/1990
Ht / Wt:  	6'6' / 315 

Ravens beat writer Aaron Wilson is "hearing some good buzz" on Louisiana Tech T Jordan Mills.
Mills continues to generate top-100 talk after a solid Senior Bowl performance, shutting down many higher profile prospects form his right tackle spot. We suspect teams believe he can play three spots on the offensive line and consistently displays a hard-nosed, finishing attitude.

Feb 12 - 2:28 PM

Source: Aaron Wilson on Twitter

source: https://twitter.com/RavensInsider/st...07873156653056
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additional:

CBS Sports' Dane Brugler is hearing from NFL sources that Louisiana Tech T Jordan Mills might be a top-100 pick.

Mills was a late addition to the Senior Bowl and held his own from the start of the first practice. As a right tackle in college, Mills helped pave the way for a fairly balanced offense. NFL evaluators likely expect him to have the versatility to play three positions along the offensive line.

Feb 1 - 8:37 AM

Source: Dane Brugler on Twitter

source: https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status...46918931427331

---------- Post added February-19th-2013 at 08:35 PM ----------

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...n_mills_g.html

Louisiana Tech's Jordan Mills gets nastier

"This is the world's greatest sport," Mills said. "It started with tough guys like Mike Ditka, Mean Joe Greene, Lawrence Taylor. I've watched their old games on NFL Network. They played the game with reckless abandon. You can't let nobody push you around. If they're going to be nasty, you've got to be even nastier.

"I can get with the nastiest. I can be the nastiest. It comes with the territory. If you want to get dirty and grimy with me, I'm going to get even dirtier and grimier. You've got to have that edge."

"You get thrown in with the lions," Mills said. "You've got to work with what you have. Talking to the other offensive linemen and watching the plays and studying the playbook, I'm adapting quickly to everything that's going on."

Mills hails from Napoleonville, La., and said he tried to model his game on New Orleans Saints Hall of Fame offensive tackle Willie Roaf.

"The person I grew up watching from my hometown team is New Orleans' Willie Roaf," Mills said. "And he also played for Louisiana Tech. Watching him when I was little, seeing how he played the game.

When I got to Tech, my coach still put some film up on him of when he played for Tech so we could see he was one of the greatest players ever to play in the NFL. To watch the feet he had, the strength he had, it motivated him to be just like him."

[soljaofjesus]

2) Menelik Watson RT,
3) Brandon Jenkins OLB,
4) Terry Hawthrone CB
5) Theo Riddick RB
5) Bradley McDougald FS
6) Brandon Kaufman WR,
7) Cooper Taylor SS,
7) Joe Vellano DE

Maybe we can also get Bruce Taylor in UDFA or Michael Mauti.

[ConnSKINS26]

I'd love the Watson pick except for two things:

1. I think he'll go before we pick.
2. I don't see us taking an OL in the 2nd unless he's the BPA by far, which I really don't see happening.