2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[DogofWar1]

So how bad has Aboushi's stock fallen the past few months? Horrible bench numbers, and awful 40 yard dash. Oddly enough he measured with really short arms at the senior bowl but his arms are decent at the combine, odd.

Well, to start, Scouts Inc. is projecting him, along with Pugh, Thomas, and Long, as guards now, not tackles. Other places have him as somewhere between 2nd and 3rd round generally, and some put him in the 4th. He'll definitely be around at #51, though after his underwhelming performances, I probably wouldn't feel too good about taking him until 83 or even 115.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Chris Gragg ran a 4.50 officially.

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Just watched Escobar in the TE drill where you catch passes from sideline to sideline. He caught each one, caught each with his hands, looked smooth running and made his last catch with-in bounds, toe-tapped the sideline then turned up-field.

On one of the crossing passes, it lead him him a good bit in-front, he just kept his body in form and extended his arms and hands out, full extension, some feet in-front of him, to reach and nab the ball. It looked so smooth.

He's a real good pass catcher. He's got incredible ability to reach beyond where he's at to get a ball, even though he's not an "athlete" like the other guys with their measuables.

[Laxpunk2006]

Just watched Escobar in the TE drill where you catch passes from sideline to sideline. He caught each one, caught each with his hands, looked smooth running and made his last catch with-in bounds, toe-tapped the sideline then turned up-field.

On one of the crossing passes, it lead him him a good bit in-front, he just kept his body in form and extended his arms and hands out, full extension, some feet in-front of him, to reach and nab the ball. It looked so smooth.

He's a real good pass catcher. He's got incredible ability to reach beyond where he's at to get a ball, even though he's not an "athlete" like the other guys with their measuables.

Does his poor 40 time change your opinion on him at all?

[Monk4thaHALL]

[NLC1054]

Does anyone know anything about this Matt Furstenburg guy, the tight end from Maryland?

Ran a 4.5 flat (unofficial) 40 time, looked good in the drills I saw.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Wow. I'm shocked that MD TE Matt Furstenberg ran a 4.5.

---------- Post added February-23rd-2013 at 03:05 PM ----------

Does anyone know anything about this Matt Furstenburg guy, the tight end from Maryland?

Ran a 4.5 flat (unofficial) 40 time, looked good in the drills I saw.

He's always been a good player but unfortunately he's been the victim of inconsistent QB play much of his career.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Does his poor 40 time change your opinion on him at all?

Ha. "poor?"

It wasn't poor.

I already detailed much earlier in this thread that he was not going to run like Eifert or Ertz. I even said something like: "he's not a runner like Eifert or Ertz."

He being slower than those two wasn't surprising at all. But to say poor, no. If he ran over 5.00 then that would have been poor.

Eifert: 4.68
Ertz: 4.76
Escobar: 4.84

He's less than 1/10 of a second off of Ertz. I mean come on.

No, opinion doesn't change at all. He can catch the ball. He has very good catch radius.

[ConnSKINS26]

I find myself wishing Kelce would suffer a minor injury or fail a drug test or something, so that he'll fall to our pick in the 3rd. Not that I'm that selfish.

Cincinnati senior tight end Travis Kelce will be sidelined during workouts this week at the 2013 scouting combine in Indianapolis due to an abdominal tear, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer. He suffered the injury last month and was unable to participate in the Senior Bowl.

One NFL evaluator told Pro Football Weekly that Cincinnati TE Travis Kelce is a "trainwreck character-wise" and predicted the baggage will push Kelce into the third round "at least."
Kelce was suspended for the entire 2010 season after breaking team rules ahead of the Sugar Bowl. The reasoning for the suspension was never revealed, but his transgression must have been pretty major. Kelce, the younger brother of Eagles starting center Jason, is sitting out the Combine due to an abdominal tear. Rotoworld

Hmmm.

[Monk4thaHALL]

And as it were, when I watched Escobar's 40, it looked like he stood up too quickly rather than stay low and explode forward. I think his technique alone could shave time off the 40. When he got up to speed, you could see that he had long legs. You could see the stride. So that is more important to me. Because I can eye-ball him and see that he's longer than Ertz.

Eifert is clearly the #1 TE to me. I've just felt for awhile that Ertz was not on the same athletic level.

And when you compare Ertz to Escobar, here's one thing that a 40 can't compensate for on sunday, gameday:

Escobar: 33 5/8" - Arm Length
Ertz: 31 3/4" - Arm Length

No amount of training can improve the arm length, but training can improve suddenness and someone's 40 time.

Escoabr also had a better Vert and better Broad-Jump compared to Ertz. And again, a point I brought up earlier, he's entering early. He still has some development to go.

I mean when you look at him, he's still green looking. He looks like he's not done filling out his body. So I expect in time that he's going to become even more a physical player that will make even more of a mismatch when he fills out strength and body-wise.

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All that said, Vance McDonald had great measuables. I mean his bench was good (31). His 40 was good (4.69). Vert (33.5) and Broad (119) were good. And his size: Arms: 34 3/8" Arm Length. And pretty big at 267.

And he was a guy that was used in the Slot a good bunch at Rice, as an athletic TE. They wanted him to get in space. And I saw a little bit of standard in-line TE blocking. But he seemed to get a lot of looks line-up split in that Rice system.

[Rabsuz]

Since it is about that combine time again, I urge my fellow fans to not fall in love with 40 times, as it hard it is not to. They are the devil when you look at things, 40 times mean almost nothing but everyone falls in love with them and it shoots mediocre guys to the top every year. This is especially true for guys who's positions usually don't need them running 40 yards anyways.

Combine results are the serpent in the apple tree of drafting.

[Bonez3]

I'm not sold on going safety. Seeing that kid from FIU against Louisville was just meh. Not sure you cant match that in FA or even later rounds. Safety play is needed, but if we could get a projected stud OL, pull that trigger. In fact, given the likely available safeties, I'd prefer BA CB and maybo go safety 3 or even 4th round.

I'm quickly feeling OL/CB for 2nd round. The difference in safety play doesn't seem like it would be worth the choice in round 2.

---------- Post added February-23rd-2013 at 07:38 AM ----------

I just had a epiphany of sorts. I seen some postings of Lattimore in later rounds...Is that really where he is projected, bcause that is insane. I got a feeling all of sudden might be a Maurice Clarrett move in Shanny pending. I think Lattimore is gonna be a star back in NFL, which essentially means 3-4 solid years. But I would love to have him on roster. He misses this year, but 1 year goes by so quick. Just don't want Shanny pulling a round 2 move on us.

Also, is Honeybadger really projected in middle rounds. I'd actually go 2-3 on him in a heartbeat. This guy proven ballhawk in NFL Minor Leagues (SEC). Is he really projected 3-4th rounds...NO WAY

any thoughts... hate these 100 plus page threads.

[squatch66]

When I read about his 40 time my first thought was "Well, looks like we are drafting this guy!" lol

I have actually had a small man crush on Mr. Armstead since the East West shrine game. I just liked what I read about him. I have no clue where he is going to go but if we could swing him in like the 3rd/4th round range I would be ecstatic.

[Monk4thaHALL]

So to update. Lane Johnson took over the draft for O-Line.

I mean everyone wants to talk about Armstead because he was the first one to set the bar at a 4.71 - 40 yard dash. But when the agility drills rolled around, the change of direction, the quicks, transfer of weight and such ... that's where Armstead took a back-seat.

But Johnson, who had a 4.72 - 40 yard dash, he separated himself in the Broad Jump (9'10") - Top rank and set record for o-line in recent Combines. Also 3-Cone drill (7.31) - #2 overall. Schwenke tied Johnson at 7.31.

Armstead was #13 on the 3-Cone: 7.62
Quessenberry was #9 on 3-Cone: 7.49

In the 20 yard shuttle, Eric Fisher was 4.44.
20 yard shuttle: L. Johnson 4.52.
20 yard shuttle: Pugh: 4.63

Armstead was 4.72 SEC, wasn't even ranked.

So, I mean straight-line speed is all well and good, but there were guys that out-performed him in those agility drills.

Those other guys showed that low to the ground, ability to bend, change direction, transfer weight at better time. And those attributes are just as, if not more important to a guy working well in a zone scheme.

But again, someone like Earl Watford looked much quicker and smoother in the drills than what his times said on the 3-Cone (7.77 SEC) and 20 yard shuttle (5.00 SEC). So, numbers aren't always the end-all, be-all.

I think Watford had a really good day. Again moved quicker and faster to the eye than the numbers said - same with Quessenberry. I think Quessenberry showed bend and agility, he ran well too.

Schwenke - I was just really impressed with how quick his first step was. Not the top-end speed, but really quick. And he benched 31 times. So he seems like a bulldog.


But beyond that. What people need to realize also, is that when Griffin is healthy, we are a Veer Dive / Option team. And we need to have o-lineman, but especially the guys at the end of the LOS, to be able to control the POA.

It's not a super change from our zone-stretch, but it is a change. We had much more angle blocking in the Veer and much more pulling and kick-outs compared to our standard zone stretch.

So we need both. We need zone stretch ability as well as power to generate drive blocking.

So people saying things like "he's a zone guy, perfect fit" ... well that's 1 aspect, but we also need to have someone that can kick down and block a 330 to 350+ LBS DT and get movement (most important) on him. Plus he needs to be able to slide to the 2nd level quick enough and be fast enough to run with and get to an area before a 250 LB.

So angles and power need to go hand in hand with quicks and speed.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

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[Monk4thaHALL]

Escobar ranked 2nd in the 3-Cone (7.07) // #1 was Eifert = 6.92
Escobar ranked 2nd in the 20 yard shuttle (4.31) among TEs // #1 was Stoneburner = 4.27

---------- Post added February-23rd-2013 at 05:46 PM ----------

Vance McDonald's day:

40 yrd = 4.69 - # 5 overall TE
Bench = 31 - # 1 overall TE
Vert = 33.5 - Tied # 6 overall TE
Broad = 119 (9'11") - Tied # 2 overall TE
3-Cone = 7.08 - Tied # 3 overall TE
20 yrd = 4.53 - # 12 overall
60 yrd = 11.73 - # 3 overall