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[Alcoholic Zebra]

Well, I've been bullish on Rambo for awhile and I still am.

I just wonder what folks are looking at when they see the class as a whole.

To me, there are very few players at Safety, who align with a deep middle FS. I see tons of guys that can play SS, in the box, etc. There is a short on FS in the class, to me. And what we have here, with the Skins, is a need for FS. And additionally, I see it as not only do we need a viable starter but we need a viable back-up, as well.

Maybe that's just me.

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The play which starts @ 0:37, that is what you want. The hit occurs @ 0:42 - That is what you want. Pause @ 0:44 - The Rambo incomplete gesture - that's what you want.

When I see Rambo, I see someone that makes some mistakes in coverage but overall is what you want out of a deeper safety. He likes to lay hits on guys who aren't ready for it, that's good as its the best time to hit them and jar the ball loose. But what I don't like is what happens when has to come up and help on bubble screens, run plays and when there is a blocker in the area. I don't think he tries to get around the blocker, he just seems content to be "engaged" and out of the play.

I don't think he gives enough effort when he sees a teammate about to tackle a player. I see some situations where he should be gang tackling but instead slows up and gets lazy. Sometimes he'll wind up watching his teammate get dragged an extra yard for a 1st down.

I think he's capable of doing the whole Cover 1 and Cover 3 thing that Madieu sucked at. But in terms of being a versatile player that Haslett can scheme with? Not as such, rather a stick them 20 yards back and have Meriweather be the complete wildcard, which only works to an extent.

[Dukes and Skins]

I'm curious as to what you see in him. I obv. haven't done much research, other than that he got caught up in the booster scandal at the U and he had "Sean Taylor talent" coming in and played well while there. Not showing up in the tape?

He's done nothing to warrant anything other than a 7th round pick.

[skinny21]

Posted this in the wrong thread a little while ago... whoops.

Keep seeing Mathieu showing up in mocks on here in the 3rd or 4th. While a playmaker (something we need more of on D) he is not a guy that I'm comfortable taking with our second pick in the draft. If we had a 1st, I be happy to take him with our 3rd. Also don't really see him lasting til our 4th, particularly past SF and all their early picks. And then he seems to go against the type of guy Shanahan covets (as we all know). Bottom line, I'd love to have him (well, his talent anyway) but I don't see it happening.

---------- Post added March-1st-2013 at 09:36 PM ----------

[QUOTE=Monk4thaHALL;9441475]Well, I've been bullish on Rambo for awhile and I still am.

I just wonder what folks are looking at when they see the class as a whole.

To me, there are very few players at Safety, who align with a deep middle FS. I see tons of guys that can play SS, in the box, etc. There is a short on FS in the class, to me. And what we have here, with the Skins, is a need for FS. And additionally, I see it as not only do we need a viable starter but we need a viable back-up, as well.

Maybe that's just me.[COLOR="Gold"]

---------- Post added March-1st-2013 at 04:24 PM ----------

[//QUOTE]

Yeah, getting tired of seeing poor SAF play as well as poor coverage skills from our backups.

I'm hoping we either sign a FS in FA and draft a SAF that can play both spots (at least better than what we've had), or drafting one of the top FS and then drafting a 'hybrid' later as well. The good news is we have Jackson still in the fold (though his issues loom large) as well as Bernstine and Gomes. With (potentially) competent starters and a new guy to potentially backup both spots, I'd feel more comfortable with 2/3 three of the above guys as our 4th and 5th.

[NLC1054]

I look at Rambo, and I see one of the only safeties in college that really plays the center field safety role. I think he's got great range, and I think (when he wants to be) he's a good tackler. He's got that D-Hall thing where he tackles fine and all, but every once in a while he'll try to strip the football instead of secure the tackle first. You really want people to be stood up by a more than one player before going for the strip. You give up unnecessary yards when you do that.

Still, I really like him as a prospect. He's not too scheme diverse, but hey; neither is Ryan Clark. In Pittsburgh. They don't send him to blitz nearly as much as Polamalu. He's the coverage guy, Troy is the Tazmanian devil. I don't expect Haz to get more creative than Dick LeBeau...

[Warpath11]

As the draft gets closer and closer I can say with some certainty that an offensive lineman will not be drafted at 51 barring a historic drop by one of the top guys. I see a WR or DB with the 51st pick or some sort of trade down option. BPA will not yield a lineman with the 51 pick as things stand right now.

[stevemcqueen1]

He wanted no parts of Lacy. It doesn't lie. That's what you don't want,

Your criticism lacks perspective.

[maskedsuperstar]

Your criticism lacks perspective.

Really?!! Go back and watch the video. As one poster said, "he doesn't bring it on every down"! He's right. Rambo wanted no parts of Lacy.

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I look at Rambo, and I see one of the only safeties in college that really plays the center field safety role. I think he's got great range, and I think (when he wants to be) he's a good tackler. He's got that D-Hall thing where he tackles fine and all, but every once in a while he'll try to strip the football instead of secure the tackle first. You really want people to be stood up by a more than one player before going for the strip. You give up unnecessary yards when you do that.
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And I agree with that. I think there are better safeties, that are willing too hit.

[mistertim]

Really?!! Go back and watch the video. As one poster said, "he doesn't bring it on every down"! He's right. Rambo wanted no parts of Lacy.

This is flawed logic. You're discounting a prospect based on assumptions made from a very small and cherry picked sample that is isn't even as cut and dried as you make it sound. If you look through tape of pretty much any player you'll be able to find an instance where it he didn't appear to "bring it" 100%. By that rationale you could pretty much take every player off your board.

And I agree with that. I think there are better safeties, that are willing too hit.

As Monk4thaHALL said before, you don't necessarily want a guy who is going to go for the "kill shot" every time when you're talking about a FS, especially one that's going to be single deep or on an island. You want him to lay the wood when its smart to do so and play more conservative coverage when its smart to do so. If you put a pure headhunter back there you're going to end up with some highlight hits but also a good amount of long TD passes that didn't have to end up that way.

[maskedsuperstar]

This is the video in question:

Bacarri Rambo vs Alabama 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqGInqjGhz4



This is good tape. Rambo makes several TD saving tackles on the game, on both Yelldon and Lacy. And he has plenty of tape out there with his coverage skills.

People can decide for themselves.

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Again you're confused. The tackle was made.

You don't need a meathead at FS who's going to go flying around ready to leap head-first into a 3 Alarm fire. You need someone who is smart. Someone who knows his "spots." If Rambo goes furlong into battle against Lacy, he's at a disadvantage physically. He gives up at least 30 pounds to Lacy. If goes head up, he does his team a disservice because he has a chance to get hurt.

"Go back and watch what he does against Lacy" ??? - I already saw it. He made the tackle. One time he stood him up, in the hole, head up too - made that tackle. The play that you panned, he saved a TD on his tackle on Lacy. That's what matters. It was the smart play and again ... he made the tackle, saved the TD. Only in a pissing contest does this really matter. And it sheds light to your criteria.

We're not complaining about Madieu Williams because of run support, what the team needs is a player who can play pass coverage.

You go ahead and move for Shamarko and he'll bust or find himself with a shortened career from injury. He's not FS, he's SS. So you'd actually be playing him out of position, compounding your mistake. And for someone with as much straightline speed and athleticism as he has, he is inexplicably unnoteworthy in pass coverage.

I'm fully aware what position Rambo plays. A poster simply stated that he doesn't bring it on every down and he is NOT a good tackler. @2:40 that is a pathetic attempt against Lacy. Now, you can play "see what you want too see" all you want. Its right there.
@3:18 instead of tackling, he tries to strip the ball. The runner gets extra yards. That point was brought up.
@4:11 Rambo doesn't tackle Lacy. He is holding on. Pathetic!
@5:47 What is that? Do you want that playing for the Skins? That was major Pathetic against Lacy. Please!

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This is flawed logic. You're discounting a prospect based on assumptions made from a very small and cherry picked sample that is isn't even as cut and dried as you make it sound. If you look through tape of pretty much any player you'll be able to find an instance where it he didn't appear to "bring it" 100%. By that rationale you could pretty much take every player off your board.

Did he make an effort to tackle Lacy? No!

---------- Post added March-2nd-2013 at 10:06 AM ----------

This is flawed logic. You're discounting a prospect based on assumptions made from a very small and cherry picked sample that is isn't even as cut and dried as you make it sound. If you look through tape of pretty much any player you'll be able to find an instance where it he didn't appear to "bring it" 100%. By that rationale you could pretty much take every player off your board.

Rambo is going to play in the NFL. I understand that. But if I am a scout, I want too see effort. When Lacy ran the ball, Rambo made a couple of sorry attempts to tackle him. Thats it.

[NLC1054]

@3:18 instead of tackling, he tries to strip the ball. The runner gets extra yards. That point was brought up.

No he doesn't. Rambo meets Lacy after he bust through the hole him while his teammates rally to the football. Eddie Lacy's a friggin' load man. Most DB's struggle to bring him down one on one in the open field. Hell, Lacy made Manti Te'o his ***** in a year where Te'o was one of the better tackling linebackers in college football history. Rambo secures his man, tries to slow him down, and waits for him teammates to rally to the ball and help bring him down.

@4:11 Rambo doesn't tackle Lacy. He is holding on. Pathetic!

Again, Rambo does what he's supposed to do. He secures the tackle, his teammates rally to the football and help him bring him down. Just because he didn't put some LaRon Landry style knockout shot on him doesn't mean he's not doing his job.

@5:47 What is that? Do you want that playing for the Skins? That was major Pathetic against Lacy. Please!

Here's an example of Rambo trying to bring Lacy down with the kind of big hit you want him to lay, and he got stiff armed in the face for it, at which point he had to cut the running back's legs to bring him down.

Rambo is going to play in the NFL. I understand that. But if I am a scout, I want too see effort. When Lacy ran the ball, Rambo made a couple of sorry attempts to tackle him. Thats it.

Here's the thing; you're wrong. And you're wrong in a way that shows a lack of understanding football technique. Rambo's not going to take Lacy down one on on in the open field. Securing the tackle and waiting for his teammates to help is the right thing to do in that situation. You'll see a lot of safeties do the same thing with AP and the better running backs in the league. Furthermore, you took three bad plays out of 6:42 of really good Rambo tape to illustrate a point; a tape in which he tackles very, very well.

If you were a scout, your evaluation of Rambo not showing effort would be wrong, and hopefully someone would tell you it was.

[Skinsinparadise]

I look at Rambo, and I see one of the only safeties in college that really plays the center field safety role. I think he's got great range, and I think (when he wants to be) he's a good tackler. He's got that D-Hall thing where he tackles fine and all, but every once in a while he'll try to strip the football instead of secure the tackle first. You really want people to be stood up by a more than one player before going for the strip. You give up unnecessary yards when you do that.

Still, I really like him as a prospect. He's not too scheme diverse, but hey; neither is Ryan Clark. In Pittsburgh. They don't send him to blitz nearly as much as Polamalu. He's the coverage guy, Troy is the Tazmanian devil. I don't expect Haz to get more creative than Dick LeBeau...

Found it interesting at the combine the Redskins reporters asked a number of safeties and corners if the Redskins scheduled meetings with them at the combine, most of them said yeah, Rambo said no.

[NLC1054]

Found it interesting at the combine the Redskins reporters asked a number of safeties and corners if the Redskins scheduled meetings with them at the combine, most of them said yeah, Rambo said no.

That means one of two things; either there's no way in hell Rambo is the pick at 51, or Rambo is absolutely the pick at 51.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Here's the thing; you're wrong.
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If you were a scout, your evaluation of Rambo not showing effort would be wrong, and hopefully someone would tell you it was.

Thank You.

That means one of two things; either there's no way in hell Rambo is the pick at 51, or Rambo is absolutely the pick at 51.

Agree

[Dukes and Skins]

That means one of two things; either there's no way in hell Rambo is the pick at 51, or Rambo is absolutely the pick at 51.

Pretty much.

[DogofWar1]

That means one of two things; either there's no way in hell Rambo is the pick at 51, or Rambo is absolutely the pick at 51.

You just have to love the mind-games Shanahan plays with everyone. He spends the entire combine with RGIII last year before the trade up, and then other years doesn't even look at the prospect he wants.