2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[skinzwiz]

I'd be more wary of Dwayne Gratz's rise post-combine. He rose from the 4th to the end of the 2nd since then. I still think WR's can get behind him a bit too easily.

Yeah Gratz is another one the fits the mold. Never heard 1 one word about him. He probably truly is overrated.

---------- Post added March-18th-2013 at 05:56 PM ----------

This was from January-11th-2013 09:43 PM
I think Dukes later commented on my inclusion of Slay.
And I haven't heard of him as a fringe 1st rounder.

I definitely missed that post bc I never heard of the guy until the combine. You had him slated as a 3rd back then so that makes me feel more comfortable about his stock. I will say though, if he is as good as people say, why wouldn't the late first be a plausible position for him?

[Dukes and Skins]

Mainly because some are still very worrisome about how raw he is still. He's got the tools, still raw in many areas, but also impressive ball skills too. He's someone you take with the expectations of being a long term starter. As also alluded with Slay he never got the credit he deserved until teams finally watched him and now just Banks.

[Samuels]

Try shoving a tampon up your snatch before bleeding all over the forums.

Why don't you do it for me.

I don't spew stats from various hack sites or comment on what I read online. I actually watch games in fact it is a passion of mine from the youth level up before commenting on something i'm not knowledgable about. If he infact watched alot of Minnesota games like I did then I apologize but were not seeing the same things.

The whole point is this pass defense sucked with DHall. Wilson did'nt play well and the safety play from both spots was horrible. London struggled in space and was ate up by the majority of Te's we faced. It was the most frustrating Redskin defense i've ever watched repeatedly giving up 3rd downs like taking candy from a baby.

Merriweather can't be counted on he was cut by 2 teams for a reason and is coming off a mid season ACL. Unless we can sign some bargain guys soon we are gonna be counting on a awful lot of young guys in our secondary who normally take time to develop. Whats gonna happen is we are gonna have to force RG3 and Morris into trying to carry this team again.

[skinny21]

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The whole point is this pass defense sucked with DHall. Wilson did'nt play well and the safety play from both spots was horrible. London struggled in space and was ate up by the majority of Te's we faced. It was the most frustrating Redskin defense i've ever watched repeatedly giving up 3rd downs like taking candy from a baby.

Merriweather can't be counted on he was cut by 2 teams for a reason and is coming off a mid season ACL. Unless we can sign some bargain guys soon we are gonna be counting on a awful lot of young guys in our secondary who normally take time to develop. Whats gonna happen is we are gonna have to force RG3 and Morris into trying to carry this team again.

Totally agree about the third downs. I will say that I noticed many, many plays in which a catch was made by a TE even though London had very good positioning and was in reach of the ball, it just got by him. He ran well with some of the best TEs in the game, but ultimately lost many match ups.

Speaking of covering TEs... while I understand your concerns with him, I'm pretty sure Meriweather will immediately improve our coverage. Health is a big issue, but even were he put on the PUP, and even if he's not 100% all season, he'd still likely be an upgrade (in coverage anyway) over what we had last year. Feel similarly about Bernstine - may not contribute, but decent chance he's better than some of the others.

With the drafting of Chung in NE, and the poor fit in CHI, it's not quite as cut and dry as it seems. "Cut by two teams in two years" is a valid point, but I put more stock in the fact he's been pretty durable career-wise, and many talked/raved about how Meriweather was a great fit for this defense.

FS - I guess pretty much any FS we draft will be an improvement over Madieu. Ironically (and I'm certain I'll get lambasted for it), I don't hate Williams as much as most seem to, but he was fairly atrocious. I got the feeling that a very small part of our improved D was due to Madieu getting a bit more comfortable in the scheme. Pass rush also didn't do him (or the rest of the secondary) any favors.

Corners scare me a bit, but it's still early in FA. Even a C. Griffin type signing would make me a good deal more... okay with it. I do feel the safety play improves (almost by default) which maybe makes a possible drop off in corner play not quite so terrifying. I'd take Hall back in an instant as I want to see him play with safeties he can have a little more confidence in. I definitely like some of the corners available in most mocks and believe they quite likely present us with more value than Hall or many other FAs.

Overall, if our draft goes anything like many of the mocks out there, I'll be a lot more comfortable with our secondary than I am now.

Sorry for the length and so much crossover with Free Agency... sometimes you just need to rant.

[skins4ever17]

I say we trade down to get another 3rd, and draft TJ McDonald and Terry Hawthorne/Rod Sweeting. I'm more for sleeper / under the radar picks that are physical.

[Monk4thaHALL]

[skins2323]

I say we trade down to get another 3rd, and draft TJ McDonald and Terry Hawthorne/Rod Sweeting. I'm more for sleeper / under the radar picks that are physical.

I have no problem with trading down usually, but IMO we need to hit on that 2nd rounder. If we can sign DHall back for a 3 yr/12 mill contract, draft a safety like Elam in the 2nd, then draft a CB like Poyer in the 3rd, I will be feeling much much better about our secondary. Hell I wouldnt even mind drafting Honey Badger in the 4th too (if he's there). Lets build some depth so that when Wilson wants to leave next yr for FA, we have the advantadge of having a more then capable in house replacement.

[darrelgreenie]

I have no problem with trading down usually, but IMO we need to hit on that 2nd rounder. If we can sign DHall back for a 3 yr/12 mill contract, draft a safety like Elam in the 2nd, then draft a CB like Poyer in the 3rd, I will be feeling much much better about our secondary. Hell I wouldnt even mind drafting Honey Badger in the 4th too (if he's there). Lets build some depth so that when Wilson wants to leave next yr for FA, we have the advantadge of having a more then capable in house replacement.

I hear what your are saying depending on who is available when we select. If the SAF/CB you like at that range are off the board (Elam/Reid/Cyprien/Amerson) whomever and there is/are teams willing to trade up I would do it to acquire more picks to take advantage of the depth at DB in this draft. BUT I would also be working aggresively to package picks to move up and have multiple picks from the last 2nd to the end of the 3rd because that is where I beleive the (starting caliber) depth is. I would even consider including a *gasp* next years 3rd to make it happen.

---------- Post added March-19th-2013 at 09:30 AM ----------

I say we trade down to get another 3rd, and draft TJ McDonald and Terry Hawthorne/Rod Sweeting. I'm more for sleeper / under the radar picks that are physical.

TJ is one of my favorites FS prospects in this class. Very underrated imo, a clean prospect, Senior/captian with NFL bloodlines.
I like Hawthorne also, he popped out to me at the combine because of the movement ability he showed at that size.
Don't know much about Rod Sweeeting what do you like about him?

[skins2323]

OK - so for some of you guys who are more informed then I when it comes to prospects, which duo is better?

2nd - Elam
3rd - Poyer

- or -

2nd - Amerson
3rd - McDonald

[Dukes and Skins]

I'd rather take the first option of those two

[Alcoholic Zebra]

OK - so for some of you guys who are more informed then I when it comes to prospects, which duo is better?

2nd - Elam
3rd - Poyer

- or -

2nd - Amerson
3rd - McDonald

I feel like there will be a lot of differing opinions about this. But in my mind, its Elam and Poyer by far. I simply do not think Amerson should step onto an NFL field any down that isn't 3rd and long. His effort and tackling ability is embarrassing. I don't think he's an NFL player, I do think he'd be MVP of a touch football league though.

Ok, so that's a bit of a hyperbole. But you get the point, the guy can't tackle. On that note, Poyer's a bit below average in the tackling department as well.

[skins2323]

I was just trying to figure out a safety and cb combo that we would target in rounds 2 and 3. I figured we'd either go best available Cb in 2 and S in 3 or vice versa. From what i was reading, most have Amerson as the best available CB when we pick in the 2nd and Elam at S (also in 2nd), although I am sure ppl will differ about that. In the 3rd the best availbale CB seems to be Poyer and S McDonald...but again i am sure ppl will differ there about who really is the best available, it was just my perception after reading a bunch of mocks

[JamesMadisonSkins]

The Dolphins have two thirds. It's a fair trade straight up to swap #51 with #77 and #82. That would give us three in the 3rd round. Someone mentioned before that it is rare to move back that many spots, and usually you do so in increments, but it may be too hard to pass up having three 3rds. Also, SF got another 4th rounder, so we could trade them #51 for #61 and two of their 4ths. We can trade back off #61 and use one of our three 4ths or two 5ths to move back in.

That being said, if we re-sign Hall, I feel much better heading into the draft. Go FS in the 2nd, CB in the 3rd, and maybe CB again in the 5th or 6th if there is a Crawford-type guy still out there when we pick. We can't rely on Minnifield to be healthy and be our 5th CB.

---------- Post added March-19th-2013 at 11:01 AM ----------

If you have three 3rds I imagine you could go:
77: TJ McDonald
82: Jordan Poyer
85: Ryan Swope/Travis Kelce/Gavin Escobar
116: Tyrann Mathieu/BW Webb
147: Kevin Reddick
155: Kenjon Barner

[Alcoholic Zebra]

I say we trade down to get another 3rd, and draft TJ McDonald and Terry Hawthorne/Rod Sweeting. I'm more for sleeper / under the radar picks that are physical.

Hawthorne COULD be a sleeper, I don't know. The problem with Terry Hawthorne is that he doesn't really get tested all that often, so it's a bit difficult to tell how good he is. Teams just run the ball at Illinois or pick on the much weaker defenders in coverage. I just watched three games of his and he was thrown at...maybe four times combined. He's a very good tackler and he'll try and fight off blocks.

I haven't seen him attempt press coverage once though, but he seems like he'd work great in a variety of schemes. He seems to be pretty good in Cover 3. He was pretty good in the East-West Shrine Game.

I don't think Sweeting is a sleeper. Sweeting is physical, but he's kind of penalty prone. He'll get beat too much and resort to pass interference. My big issue with Sweeting is effort, he doesn't try every play.

[Tatankgough]

The Dolphins have two thirds. It's a fair trade straight up to swap #51 with #77 and #82. That would give us three in the 3rd round. Someone mentioned before that it is rare to move back that many spots, and usually you do so in increments, but it may be too hard to pass up having three 3rds. Also, SF got another 4th rounder, so we could trade them #51 for #61 and two of their 4ths. We can trade back off #61 and use one of our three 4ths or two 5ths to move back in.

That being said, if we re-sign Hall, I feel much better heading into the draft. Go FS in the 2nd, CB in the 3rd, and maybe CB again in the 5th or 6th if there is a Crawford-type guy still out there when we pick. We can't rely on Minnifield to be healthy and be our 5th CB.

---------- Post added March-19th-2013 at 11:01 AM ----------

If you have three 3rds I imagine you could go:
77: TJ McDonald
82: Jordan Poyer
85: Ryan Swope/Travis Kelce/Gavin Escobar
116: Tyrann Mathieu/BW Webb
147: Kevin Reddick
155: Kenjon Barner

I am so glad to see someone put TJ McDonald as a first choice in this upcoming draft. I feel his height, weight, reaction time and speed along with the pedigree coming from his father makes him a no brainer as FS. Believe he will become a perennial pro-bowler like his Dad