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[Taylor703]

Tyran Mathieu just moved in with Patrick Peterson's family in Florida per Adam Schefter.

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Here's the tweet ^^^

Best thing he can do for himself. At some point he had to grow up and this seems like a step in that direction.

[stevemcqueen1]

I wonder if he'll declare for the draft.

I'd pick him with a 6th or a 7th. I like him as the slot defender if he can get himself into football shape and stop smoking weed. He needs to ditch his friends from school and make a clean break.

---------- Post added November-2nd-2012 at 01:33 PM ----------

- IF Matthieu got back into shape and we took him in a late round,

- IF Amerson is just temporarily slumping from some off field stuff and he can be coached up into his old level of performance and we took him in the second,

- Then that would be two impact caliber talents added to the secondary for a very minimal investment.

[Dukes and Skins]

Cordarrelle Patterson out of Tenn looks like he could be a #1 WR and could be there in the 2-3 rounds. Could be a steal to pair with RG3. A little early but if we could get him in the 3rd to pair with a top CB/S left in the 2nd, I'd be pretty happy.

When its all said and done, Patterson will probably end up in round 1. Dynamic threat

[GWinSkins83]

When its all said and done, Patterson will probably end up in round 1. Dynamic threat

I dont see it. I love Patterson's explosiveness and big play ability but this WR class is so deep. I think teams will hold of on them.

[Dukes and Skins]

I dont see it. I love Patterson's explosiveness and big play ability but this WR class is so deep. I think teams will hold of on them.

Who right now are you putting ahead of him? Hunter and Allen obviously but who else?

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And if we're talking WR's guy who gets no love, but is one of the top WR's IMO is Aaron Dobson from Marshall. Going to be a hell of a WR in the NFL

[SemperFi Skins]

1st round
Keenan Allen
Justin Hunter
Robert Woods
Terrence Williams

2nd round
DeAndre Hopkins
Cordarelle Patterson

I've got your boy Dobson in the 3rd Dukes

[DogofWar1]

When its all said and done, Patterson will probably end up in round 1. Dynamic threat

Could pull a Stephen Hill, rocketing up the boards after the combine and workouts. Teams are always looking for the next Megatron, and he's as likely as anybody.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

I think The Patriots saved us from ourselves, when Talib starts getting roasted because he's in a spotlight now, I think Shanahan will send him a gift basket.

I agree. Talib hasn't been as good this season. He got burnt again and again by the Giants receivers. This was with the replacement refs, so he was holding and jersey grabbing as much as possible without it getting called...and even that didn't matter. Sometimes Nicks or Cruz would just fake him out of his boots and have such a huge separation that Talib wasn't even within yards of them.

We don't want a corner that the Giants WR's already know how to torch with ease.

---------- Post added November-2nd-2012 at 03:45 PM ----------

Why is everyone in every thread think Fred Davis career is either over or diminished? I mean, everyone used to think a pitcher was done with Tommy John surgery, but they've shown that the arm is actually stronger. I mean, it depends on the severity of the tear. John Beason from the Panthers had his completely tear off the bone and he was playing well until his shoulder went out. I would really like to see everyone take a step back and let's have more of a wait and see approach before writing the guy off. Has anyone seen the or heard the post surgery report other than, "it went well?" Terrell Suggs came back 6 months after partially tearing his.

I think I've read speculation that Beason's career as a starter may be over.

We don't know yet much about Suggs. So far so good with him. Or rather, so far so amazing given the circumstances. Yet I heard all his good play happened early on and was a shell of himself as the game continued. That could just be that he's completely out of football shape, which is entirely reasonable. But let's give him a bit more time before we call it a success story.

We also don't know the degree of Fred Davis's tear. He relies on speed and athleticism to work as a TE. There's no way he can be a big contributor for us in 2013, unless we make the playoffs. Right now it's looking like Logan Paulsen and Niles Paul in 2013. Which I'm actually fine with. I'd rather not draft a TE before say round 5 this year.

[SemperFi Skins]

Could pull a Stephen Hill, rocketing up the boards after the combine and workouts. Teams are always looking for the next Megatron, and he's as likely as anybody.

gotta remember Megatron is a once in a generation athlete though. At 6'5-6'6, 240... he's extremely rare with his ability. I know what you're trying to say but it's just not a good comparison.

[stevemcqueen1]

I'm not crazy about Woods. He's not that fast or dynamic like some of these other receivers are. He's St. Louis Steve Smith rather than Carolina Steve Smith.

[DogofWar1]

gotta remember Megatron is a once in a generation athlete though. At 6'5-6'6, 240... he's extremely rare with his ability. I know what you're trying to say but it's just not a good comparison.

Oh yeah, but that's not going to stop teams from trying with inferior talent. Basically any productive receiver who is 6'3" or above and runs a 4.4 is going to get compared to him, whether he's deserving of the designation or not.

[SemperFi Skins]

Oh yeah, but that's not going to stop teams from trying with inferior talent. Basically any productive receiver who is 6'3" or above and runs a 4.4 is going to get compared to him, whether he's deserving of the designation or not.

if that's the case... I wouldn't mind taking a look at Marcus Davis out of VTech if he's there in the 3rd.... 6'4, 230 running a sub 4.5. He's dominant when he wants to be...

[stevemcqueen1]

It's not so much that teams are trying to find the next Megatron. They know the futility of such. It's that Being 6'3+ and running really fast makes you incredibly hard to match up with on the outside. That's what teams want.

If there was another Megatron in a class, it would be obvious and that guy would go top 5. Julio Jones and AJ Green. Teams wouldn't be discovering him in the late first or second or third.

[DogofWar1]

It's not so much that teams are trying to find the next Megatron. They know the futility of such. It's that Being 6'3+ and running really fast makes you incredibly hard to match up with on the outside. That's what teams want.

If there was another Megatron in a class, it would be obvious and that guy would go top 5. Julio Jones and AJ Green. Teams wouldn't be discovering him in the late first or second or third.

Well, that's the idea, a player like Megatron, with all the skills present is obvious, but there are guys with the build and measurables who sometimes lack things like the hands, body control, route running ability, etc. They drop because they're incomplete, but they rise because teams think they have the potential to fix those problems. They're not really trying to discover Megatrons, they're trying to find flawed Megatrons with fixable problems. The question then becomes how likely a team thinks it is to fix the problems, and the team that thinks it's most likely to probably takes them earliest.

[darrelgreenie]

-Steve

I think your assessment of our defense is overly hopeful/flattering. Even with Orakpo last year the defense gave up 33+ points in 4 of the last 5 games. Reed and Gomes were our S during that period of time. And while I love Reed as special teammer and as a back-up SS you cannot field he and Gomes for an extended period of time and even have a merely passable secondary.

Also, we need to be able to rush the passer with more then 1 player. Our pass rush sans Rak is nonexsistent he is clearly the straw that stirs the drink and a defensive pass rush cannot be built around the ablity of one player and then fall of sliff without them. Bowen, Carriler, Cofield, Jenksins are all decent enough DL. But are at best occasionally capable of creating rush pressure.

DeAngelo and Wilson are barely league average at their respective positions and are certainly replaceable and easily upgradeable.

We've got good players on our defense. I don't think we have nearly as many on our offense.

I have the exact opposite opinion. When you compare the defense vs offense it is clear imo that our offense has more difference makers. Starting with the most important position of QB. On defense where is our Griffin? or our Trent Williams? or Alfred Morris? or Fred Davis? or Pierre Garcon?

I do not think any one of our receivers is promising enough to worry about blocking their development with a superior talent. Garcon is the only impressive talent in the bunch IMO.

We cannot assume a 'superior talent' is going to better then our WRs when we don't even know what our young WR are capable and of course we have even less of clue how the drafted WR will pan out either.

Frankly, I don't care if we block the development of a bunch of C+ and B- ceiling players by going out and getting an A at their position.

We can't possible guess at any players ceiling. Either a player produces when their given their opportunity or they don't until then its all specualtion.

Morgan, Hankerson, Robinson, Paulsen, Paul, Helu, and Royster are low ceiling players IMO. The investment we put into them was every bit as minimal as the one we put into our secondary--mid to late round picks and low tier free agents.

The difference we actually know what we have in our secondary there is no question about their talent level.
We cannot say the same thing about our young skill position players. The largest sample size is Roy Helu and if you look honestly at this production he proved that he can be a good back in this system if he can stay healthy.

Certainly, but I think it would also be foolish not to give RGIII some half decent playmakers to work with too. His individual success and development is more important to me than the secondary playing well enough to get us to .500 or a little better in the short term.

I don't see how you can look at the production on offense and look at the players we have and compare them to what we have at defense yet have offense as a higher priority then defense.

I'm not at all opposed to picking a DB early and often in this draft--so long as they are the clear best player.

I would never advocate taking a player that wasn't viewed as the best player.