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[skinzwiz]

If they don't Franchise tag em, Jarius Byrd from Buffalo is available

Yeah I mentioned him earlier. Would love to have him.

[Dukes and Skins]

Are there any free agent tackles that people like? It would he nice to have that addressed in FA without having to use a 2nd rounder on one.

Madoodoo makes me want to draft Vacarro, Rambo, Swearinger and Mathieu lol

Brian Winters in round 4 could be a very viable solution for us at RT

[darrelgreenie]

I think its important to examine the personnel decisions that result in Maddie Williams being the starting FS for our burgundy and gold.

Then its critical to avoid repeating those decisions.

[Dukes and Skins]

I think its important to examine the personnel decisions that result in Maddie Williams being the starting FS for our burgundy and gold.

Then its critical to avoid repeating those decisions.

Oh most definitely although I dont think Mike Shanahan planned on Tanard Jackson being suspended for the year and losing his starting FS. Or losing Merriweather for the year.

[darrelgreenie]

I was thinking the same thing after watching today's game, madoodoo was responsible for giving up 2 td's by being late over the top, esp on that 27 yarder in the lst...that was a easy pick/deflection for a competent safety... madoodoo needs to go. I'm all in for trading up in the 3rd (if need be) and taking Rambo... the guy is the kind of speedy ballhawker we need back there.

I don't see how madoodoo gets the start over Doughty tho.. RD may not be the best cover safety, but he can't be as bad as williams.

Maddie Williams is who he is. He was a back-up S who only played special teams with the 49er the year prior he was benched as a member of a Vikings secondary that was amoungst the worst in the NFL.

I think Maddie starts at FS over Doughty because he's the lesser of 2 evils. Neither Reed nor Maddie are good in coverage due to physical limitations but at least Reed is a solid tackler in the box.
If you played Reed at FS and Maddie in the box then you still have poor coverage on the back end but you also have poor tackling in the box.

---------- Post added December-24th-2012 at 11:11 AM ----------

Oh most definitely although I dont think Mike Shanahan planned on Tanard Jackson being suspended for the year and losing his starting FS. Or losing Merriweather for the year.

You don't think there are any lessons to be learned based on those decisions? Saying that Mike didn't plan on TJ being suspended absolves him from the obvious risk inherent with a player that has a checkered history. We're not talking about a clean player with no prior history.

TJ and Meriweather were reclamation projects and the hope was they would reverse their current trend of performance. Neither were coming off anything close to a stellar play prior to their inclusion as parts of the solution to the S position. When it comes to Meriweather many people refer to his brief stint in the Eagles game as proof of his ability, but I don't. I remember the undisciplined S that was let go in New England and the S that was benched for a Bears team desperate for Safeties.

[redskins4ever28]

I have complained about this for years, Reed Doughty is the worst player on our team. The guy has absolutely 0 coverage skills, and 0 speed. Even though Maddie is bad, and he cant tackle at times either, if Reed was back there wed literally be getting burnt on EVERY single play deep. I still am surprised Reeds in the NFL. No idea how this guy has made it this far. It just boggles my mind.
With that being said I thinnk we need to keep Deangelo, he has been great this year. I also think we need to get the honey badger in a later round. Why not take a flyer on him? Heck, the Rams got Jenkins in the 2nd round, and honestly, the guy is a legit shut down corner. Itd be so nice to get a guy like that. Even though Mattheiu has character issues and is only 5'9", I think he could be a legit corner, or even safety. Regardless, we need to get 2 good DBs this year, 1 in the draft, and 1 in FA. I also think Merriweather, when healthy, makes this defense 50x better.

[FrFan]

If they don't Franchise tag em, Jarius Byrd from Buffalo is available

I'd like to have him on our team., but with our cap situation next year I don't think we can afford to sign him without parting ways with DHall and maybe another player.

[Chump Bailey]

I wish Brandyn Thompson could be re-signed and given a shot at FS. It seems to me we gave up on him pretty quick. Not sure if there were problems between the staff and himself.

[darrelgreenie]

No more expensive stop gaps find a young one in the draft or FA (Mundy, Quinn)

My sleeper FA Safety is Corey Lynch of the Chargers

[Dukes and Skins]

You don't think there are any lessons to be learned based on those decisions? Saying that Mike didn't plan on TJ being suspended absolves him from the obvious risk inherent with a player that has a checkered history. We're not talking about a clean player with no prior history.

TJ and Meriweather were reclamation projects and the hope was they would reverse their current trend of performance. Neither were coming off anything close to a stellar play prior to their inclusion as parts of the solution to the S position. When it comes to Meriweather many people refer to his brief stint in the Eagles game as proof of his ability, but I don't. I remember the undisciplined S that was let go in New England and the S that was benched for a Bears team desperate for Safeties.

I never said that there weren't lessons to be learned. I was just stating that he wasn't expecting Jackson to be suspended is all.

[Riggo'sRangers]

I think its important to examine the personnel decisions that result in Maddie Williams being the starting FS for our burgundy and gold.

Then its critical to avoid repeating those decisions.

Suspension and injury. That's why. Quite unfortunate but what we have now. .HTTR

---------- Post added December-24th-2012 at 03:26 PM ----------

My sleeper FA Safety is Corey Lynch of the Chargers

A good player and absolutely a sleeper. I would like this and it would not break the bank. HTTR[COLOR="Gold"]

---------- Post added December-24th-2012 at 03:27 PM ----------

[Dukes and Skins]

I'm a big fan of Mundy out of Pittsburgh. Byrd is a dream, but I dont think we have the money now to do it. Lynch is another very good player as well

[Voice_of_Reason]

I think its important to examine the personnel decisions that result in Maddie Williams being the starting FS for our burgundy and gold.

Then its critical to avoid repeating those decisions.

Well, let's see: They projected Tanard Jackson and Brandon Merriweather to be the starting pare of safeties. They had an 18M salary cap penalty.

They also had drafted Jordan Bernstine, and it looked like he was going to be able to contribute.

I'm pretty sure that the team was smart enough not to WANT to have M. Williams as a starter at FS, and probably doesn't want Reed Doughty on the field either. But, when you don't have a lot of cap space, you pick up the players you think can perform for a low cap number. And due to injury and suspension, the backups play as starters most of the season.

I don't know how you predict that the guy they thought was going to be the starting FS was going to get hurt and play 1/2 of one game this year, forcing his backup to start. Because the reason that players are backups are because they are not as good as the starter...

[Momma There Goes That Man]

You don't think there are any lessons to be learned based on those decisions? Saying that Mike didn't plan on TJ being suspended absolves him from the obvious risk inherent with a player that has a checkered history. We're not talking about a clean player with no prior history.

TJ and Meriweather were reclamation projects and the hope was they would reverse their current trend of performance. Neither were coming off anything close to a stellar play prior to their inclusion as parts of the solution to the S position. When it comes to Meriweather many people refer to his brief stint in the Eagles game as proof of his ability, but I don't. I remember the undisciplined S that was let go in New England and the S that was benched for a Bears team desperate for Safeties.

True, but if you factor that into you also have to factor in that the cap penalties probably significantly reduced what we were able to do a secondary and safety, leading MS no choice but to take chances on these reclamation projects with little or inadequate depth

[Voice_of_Reason]

TJ and Meriweather were reclamation projects and the hope was they would reverse their current trend of performance. Neither were coming off anything close to a stellar play prior to their inclusion as parts of the solution to the S position. When it comes to Meriweather many people refer to his brief stint in the Eagles game as proof of his ability, but I don't. I remember the undisciplined S that was let go in New England and the S that was benched for a Bears team desperate for Safeties.

This is a different point to your previous point that the decisions need to be looked at that made M. Williams a starter.

The simple fact is that the team, because of the $18M cap penalty, did not have the money to throw around and the ability to address every issue on the team. They found 2 players they thought, rightly or wrongly, would be an upgrade from the players from last year. Then, due to circumstances outside of their control, their plan A disintegrated and plan B, well, it wasn't as good as plan A.

I'm pretty sure that the entire secondary would look very different if there was no $18M cap penalty. It's possible that without the penalty, Hall might not even be on the team.

But, the team is bringing a knife to a gun fight for the next 2 years with the penalty. There is no way that they could fill every hole on the team, trade up to draft the franchise QB. Something had to give. It appears as though backup safety was a gamble they were willing to make.