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[darrelgreenie]

I chose my words very carefully. I said "mid round LINEMAN" not "tackles". None of them have panned out...but Hurt has been okay.

And I chose my words carefully as well.
We're not talking about interior OL we're talking specifically about RT therefore Mike's 'failure' with mid-round interior OL doesn't speak negatively about RT because he hasn't drafted one other then Tom Compton.
And further I wouldn't call the interior OL a failure because the starters in front of them are getting the job done and are they major parts of a decent/good OL.

And Mike's history of success with finding mid-late round or low cost FA OL extends beyond this season.

I don't understand why you don't see Jackson and Meriweather as prudent options. If they play, the are 10X better than what we have. Are you worried about Jackson getting suspended again or Meriweather getting hurt again?

I want quality starting caliber play at FS not cast-off or reclamation projects. Jackson and Meriweather are were bottom barrel signings.

Guys I don't consider prudent options are Polumbus and Brown.

I haven't consider Brown a prudent option for 2 seasons. I've been one of Tyler Polumbus biggest detractors. But the fact remains that the OL and offense can function at a high level with him playing RT. Our offense is 4th in yards 5th in scoring with one of the worst rated OTs in football. Therefore it doesn't require much to upgrade from Polumbus and it decreases the priority of addressing that position.

And I think there are many safeties outside the second round that could start ahead of Madoo-doo.

How many starting FS or even SS have came outside of the 2nd round vs the starting OT/RTs.

I just think protecting a QB the you spent three first rounders for and QB that has not disappointed at all, is far more important than any other position. Safety can be addressed via many more options imo.

I'm actually one of the biggest propronents of superiority at the point of attack as the simplest most direct method of improving a football team. I have long been an staunch advocate of upgrading the OL.

But, if your implying that Griffin doesn't have adequate protection and therefore needs more protection then I'm not sure what you're pointing in support of this view.

[Taylor703]

I assume then you are looking to upgrade S in FA or the 4th round then?

Well the options at safety are there within free agency. Willie Moore, Jairus Byrd and Kenny Phillips are a few big names that could draw interest here but Rambo/Lester/Matheui/Williams could all be available in the third round...

[darrelgreenie]

The offense is ranked 4th yards and 5th in scoring.
The defense is ranked 28th in yards and 30 in pass defense.

If nothing else changes and your only options to improve the team are:

(a) address the RT

or

(b) address the FS

What would you choose?

[Dukes and Skins]

Well the options at safety are there within free agency. Willie Moore, Jairus Byrd and Kenny Phillips are a few big names that could draw interest here but Rambo/Lester/Matheui/Williams could all be available in the third round...

I want nothing to do with Lester, Mathieu is a 6th round CB to me. Rambo and Williams are both solid 3rd round S's to me

[darrelgreenie]

double post

[Dukes and Skins]

The offense is ranked 4th yards and 5th in scoring.
The defense is ranked 28th in yards and 30 in pass defense.

If nothing else changes and your only options to improve the team are:

(a) address the RT

or

(b) address the FS

What would you choose?

FS. I know Mike Shanahan can find a RT and have success with one, I'd take the best FS available in round 2 and be happy

[Taylor703]

I want nothing to do with Lester, Mathieu is a 6th round CB to me. Rambo and Williams are both solid 3rd round S's to me

I disagree with you on Mathieu but I could definitely see Lester tumbling.

[Dukes and Skins]

I disagree with you on Mathieu but I could definitely see Lester tumbling.

Lester is an average player who is overhyped because he plays for Alabama.

[theboomking]

I assume then you are looking to upgrade S in FA or the 4th round then?

Just proposing a scenario. I haven't watched enough college ball this year to say that I like Hunt better than Elam,or whatever safety we might draft in the 2nd. I just want the highest rated player, and ideally,a player with physical upside. I trust MS to make the decision, as I think he has a pretty good draft history.

I will say however, that I think that it wouldn't be too hard to upgrade our situation at safety without investing a ton of dollars, or very high draft picks. Our current players are so terrible, and with good play from the corners and front 7, I don't know that you need an all world safety.

I have watched a bit of Rambo and Mathieu, and disagree with you about them. I don't think Rambo is a solid 3rd round safety. He is a slightly built player that isn't a strong tackler and tends to take a lot of risks. He reminds me a bit of The Sheriff, when he was with the skins. I'd much rather have Mathieu, who plays fast, is very aggressive, has incredible ball skills and plays larger than his size. I think Mathieu could thrive in a pressure defense that plays aggressively and thrives on creating turnovers. He also would add a lot of scheme flexibility when it comes to blitz design. I still think Mathieu comes off the board in the 3rd or 4th round.

[Laron Burgundy]

The offense is ranked 4th yards and 5th in scoring.
The defense is ranked 28th in yards and 30 in pass defense.

If nothing else changes and your only options to improve the team are:

(a) address the RT

or

(b) address the FS

What would you choose?

Disingenuous, our pass defense is so poor in part because we are thrown against more than any other team in the league! That's not to say our pass defense wasn't awful to start the season, it really was, but since about week 7 it looks much more like league average than league worst.

And that still COMPLETELY misses the point that Brown is BARELY an upgrade to Polumbus whereas Jackson was one of the top 10 cover safeties in the league when he was playing (albeit his tackling is just about league worst, but he can play the pass, which is what killed us so much this year). Another poster mentioned all the almost comebacks as a reason for a safety, but that would be Jackson's bread-and-butter. He wasn't cut by Tampa Bay because of his play (though perhaps his tackling was less than they wanted, though even safeties like Reed and Delmas aren't really tacklers either).

If Jackson still doesn't have his head straight, sure, cut ties and look for a solution elsewhere. But as it stands RT is our worst position and for those who think our offense has done great with horrible RT play, let me remind you both RG3's concussion and sprained MCL were due to our RT's block. He had a free blitzer from a delayed blitz on the sprained knee play, but because Polumbus was beaten so badly he couldn't go right (and Polumbus's guy almost beat the free blitzer to Griffin). Had he gone right, he had a wide open drag route that would have picked up a good chunk of yards and he wouldn't have been exposed to that Ngata hit, instead he had to scramble away from all his receivers' routes and so had no one to get the ball to.

Needless to say, those of you who want to patchwork the RT position better be huge Kirk Cousins fans, because you'll be seeing a whole lot more of him next year if we don't get it fixed.

[Taylor703]

Lester is an average player who is overhyped because he plays for Alabama.

I don't know if I would go that far? He has flashed the ability to be a playmaker in the secondary at the next level. There's definitely a chance that the amount of talent that has played around him has led to him looking much better than he actually is though.

[Dukes and Skins]

I don't know if I would go that far? He has flashed the ability to be a playmaker in the secondary at the next level. There's definitely a chance that the amount of talent that has played around him has led to him looking much better than he actually is though.

Watch the film on him this year. He looked absolutely pedestrian. Sure go draft him, but he'll just be an average player

[skinzwiz]

I want quality starting caliber play at FS not cast-off or reclamation projects. Jackson and Meriweather are were bottom barrel signings.

I haven't consider Brown a prudent option for 2 seasons. I've been one of Tyler Polumbus biggest detractors. But the fact remains that the OL and offense can function at a high level with him playing RT. Our offense is 4th in yards 5th in scoring with one of the worst rated OTs in football. Therefore it doesn't require much to upgrade from Polumbus and it decreases the priority of addressing that position.

No matter what you want to call Meriweather and Jackson, the fact remains that they are hands down a big upgrade over Madoo-doo. I also think there will be more availability with safeties in free agency.

I'm not concerned with the offensive production, I'm concerned with RGIII taking unnecessary hits because he has to run away from the mess Polumbus creates lol.

No matter if you think FS is a bigger priority or not, I'm trying to propose a way to get the best at both positions. Taking a safety in the second greatly limits your options of getting a stud tackle as opposed to drafting a tackle there.

[BobGriffin]

There is an outside chance TJ Mcdonald could fall to us. If that happens we should sprint to the podium. If we could get him and Margus Hunt in the 3rd id cry

[skinzwiz]

How many starting FS or even SS have came outside of the 2nd round vs the starting OT/RTs.

I have no idea, but I do know many good starting safeties have been drafted beyond the second round over the years.

---------- Post added December-27th-2012 at 02:08 PM ----------

There is an outside chance TJ Mcdonald could fall to us. If that happens we should sprint to the podium. If we could get him and Margus Hunt in the 3rd id cry

If they draft Margus Hunt, I'd cry....not tears of joy.