2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[darrelgreenie]

If somebody played like crap and I say they played like crap, I don't consider that a "strong negative feeling." That just calling what I see. But I understand some people are sensitive than others. It really doesn't matter. That's not what this discussion thread is about.

I know it certainly appears some people are sensitive. You quite obviously have a strong negative opinion of Amerson. I don't understand why you're getting all bent out of shape about that I point it out? *shrugs*

But, here's the thing. You thinking Amerson played like crap is not the same thing as Amerson actually playing like crap. Its merely your opinion.

Like some people felt that Cam couldn't do X, Y, Z and that Cam threw the ball like crap etc.
Those are opinions not facts.

Im basing my opinion on 1 game and Silva?? Now that is NOT a fact.

.... you can't count on one hand how many times Amerson got burnt this year. In Southside VA we see a lot of NC State. I know what I'm talking about. I wouldn't saying this if I barely saw him play.

Then instead of just making blanket statements about Amerson being burnt all the time can you share which games, plays you're talking about? Maybe we can discuss the football and let all this quibbling go? I actually like talking about the actual football, talking about a game cut-ups breaking down the plays. Imo the truth is always in the film.

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Amerson has some traits I love to see from a CB: ball skills and playmaking.
If Amerson runs well at the combine i.e. moves with fluidity, shows he can smoothly flip his hips turn and run I would be happy to have wearing Burgundy and Gold but if he shows all that I doubt he'll be available in the 3rd round.

[MR2Drift]

---------- Post added February-13th-2013 at 08:43 PM ----------

No, I'm not saying Amerson is the next Sherman, my point being that they were both raw on technique, and Sherman isn't an elite physical specimen either. What else did they have in common? They both had a feel for the game and made plays. My argument isn't Amerson will become the next elite corner, my argument is that he has more than enough physical tools to become a competent starter, and his upside is greater than that of most other corners available at our pick. Most people criticize that he's too slow, and that's not true, but then it's gotta be poor technique and that's correctable.

As far as the not playing press, that's a coach's decision. You'd like to think all coaches would adapt their scheme to fit their personnel so if he was even average at press man you'd see them run it occasionally, but some coaches are rather stubborn about that sort of thing. It would be like saying Cam Newton can't run a pro passing offense because he didn't do it in college. Sure, it's a concern, but a coach's scheme may be more about adapting to someone's strengths rather than trying to hide some fatal weakness.

The Sherman comparison isn't to say he's the next Sherman, it's to say he has the physical tools to play corner. As I said to the other poster, his press man ability is pretty much a question mark at the moment, but this isn't a comparison of them as players, merely as athletes. He's certainly not an udfa like evan silva supposes due to his speed, and is still likely a 2nd day pick. He had poor games, but his skill set is incredibly rare. I think he compares favorably to Sean Smith, but I believe he's a bit better prospect than Smith was.

Lets put it this way; if we knew for a fact he can't play the press what is he worth? If we knew for a fact he can play the press what is he worth?

[skinzwiz]

can you share which games, plays you're talking about?.

Tomorrow if I can find any video.

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Lets put it this way; if we knew for a fact he can't play the press what is he worth? If we knew for a fact he can play the press what is he worth?

Not a 2nd or 3rd round pick!

[darrelgreenie]

I think Banks is a better prospect then Amerson.
I'm just posting this for a frame of reference, every CB gets beat.
Below Banks is beat back-to-back first by a WR then by a TE for a TD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WANx...layer_embedded

Banks was burned for a couple of long touchdown throws against Ole Miss

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=CB

[NLC1054]

Every corner gets beat, but when you're scouting a prospect, you have to look at how they get beat, and if there's a pattern for how they get beat.

In Amerson's case, he bites on double moves, can't tackle, and can't flip his hips. And he doesn't have the make-up speed to make up for all those things. And those things have been a pattern over the course of this season.

I'm sorry, but the first things I look for in a corner aren't ball skills or playmaking. Can he tackle, and is he disciplined. Because if you play disciplined, smart football, the plays will come to you, and when the ball isn't thrown your way I want to see you hustle and try and stop a play. Ball skills should be a bonus.

[Rufus T Firefly]

From my preliminary report in July yeah sure.

Wow, you've lost your sense of humor about that?

[Dukes and Skins]

Wow, you've lost your sense of humor about that?

OHHHH WAIT you're referring to that guy! I remember now

[BobGriffin]

Any chance Rhodes is there when we pick ? I'd rather have him

[Dukes and Skins]

Any chance Rhodes is there when we pick ? I'd rather have him

Highly unlikely to me. He's a pretty solid 1st round CB

[Rufus T Firefly]

OHHHH WAIT you're referring to that guy! I remember now

You're too young to go senile on me, bro.

[Monk4thaHALL]

OHHHH WAIT you're referring to that guy! I remember now

It's about that time of year for "that guy" to pull up in his Delorean and make an appearance. I wouldn't be surprised. Get ready.

[wilco_holland]

Every corner gets beat, but when you're scouting a prospect, you have to look at how they get beat, and if there's a pattern for how they get beat.

In Amerson's case, he bites on double moves, can't tackle, and can't flip his hips. And he doesn't have the make-up speed to make up for all those things. And those things have been a pattern over the course of this season.

I'm sorry, but the first things I look for in a corner aren't ball skills or playmaking. Can he tackle, and is he disciplined. Because if you play disciplined, smart football, the plays will come to you, and when the ball isn't thrown your way I want to see you hustle and try and stop a play. Ball skills should be a bonus.

I think Amerson can be a star, if a team wants to tweak it´s D to his strenghts. If you would play him just man to man, it´s like a russian roulette. He might get a pick or he might get burned...you don´t know. He is not going to lock people down.

Only think I really look for in a corner are his backpaddel and hips, if you can not c.o.d. fluid people will kill you. Think the best corners in the game and you will see that these people have extremely fluid c.o.d. skills and can outbreak a WR because of there acceleration.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap...outing-combine

I want that guy. Just because of his leadership. Grab him in a late round, can´t go wrong if the doc say he can play.

[Skinsinparadise]

Kiper on Amerson just from the other day, and I get Kiper is mostly disrespected on the board but what the heck

http://washingtonexaminer.com/could-...rticle/2521456

If the Redskins can’t find a safety they like in free agency or even in the college ranks, they can turn to another position to fill this need: corner. A handful of players each year make the transition from corner to safety. There will be several more who could do the same in 2013, according to ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper.

David Amerson, N.C. State: Russ Lande talked about him in my email report last week and Amerson was the first name Kiper mentioned when asked about this topic. It’ll be interesting to see what he runs in the 40-yard dash at the scouting combine – the knock on him is that he’ll be too slow to play corner in the NFL. In the games I saw him play, Amerson often lined up eight or nine yards off his man; he could not get away with that in the NFL.

“He had a big year a couple years ago, but he struggled this year in coverage,” Kiper said. “But he’s certainly a guy at the top of that list because of what he brings to the table.”

[Chump Bailey]

I like Aaron Colvin the best regarding the CB position and wish we could have a chance to select him.

[skins2323]

I think Amerson can be a star, if a team wants to tweak it´s D to his strenghts. If you would play him just man to man, it´s like a russian roulette. He might get a pick or he might get burned...you don´t know. He is not going to lock people down

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Do we really need 2 Deangelo Halls on our team?