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[bird_1972]

Its alot of Secondary in next FA. And OLine help too.

We have no cap though, remember?

[GWinSkins83]

We have no cap though, remember?

We have 5 or 7 million leftover this that goes to next year. DHall contract is going to change or gone altogether. That's 8 million dollars. Davis contract could be 2 or 3 million dollars lower than this year. Santana Moss 6 million dollars might be gone to. We'll have money just like last year.

---------- Post added September-24th-2012 at 08:08 AM ----------

There will be absolutely NO elite secondary talent available in the 2nd RD this year. With such a need for elite secondary players now, driven by a passing league, the best ones are almost all gone within the top 15 picks. I don't mean to be a pessimist, I just got put in that kind of mood today.

Maybe we can trade Orakpo and get back in the first round and get David Amerson. He's the RG3 of CBs. Look him up.

Yea I got to disagree man. Its alot of talent in the secondary. And we are not even hearing about prospects from small schools yet. They usually start to pop out in view at the 8 week stage of the college world. I hope we can get our hands for Carrington Byndom, Johnthan Banks, or Xavier Rhodes for CB, Duke Williams for SS, and Bacarri Rambo FS. But that will be hard to do since all can go from the 1-3 rounds and we only have 2 picks in those rounds. I really dont get how Robert Lester from Bama has falling off so much. He was a ballhawk his So. year.

[Dukes and Skins]

Lots of good CBs in FA next year. I might go for Jerraud Powers and Will Middleton. Could probably get both with the cap space from releasing Hall.. And I love Kenny Philips, would love to get him at S.

As for OL, the Chiefs need to decide whether to tag Bowe or Brandon Albert. If it was Bowe, I'd go hard for Albert. Make him the LT and Trent the RT. Not because I think there's a problem with Trent, but I think Albert's better and that would give us a sick pair of bookends, with the added depth of Trent being the back-up LT. Probably never happen, but I can dream.

Albert is better? What? Albert has always been a weak link on that OL as the LT and should have always been the RT

[DogofWar1]

Albert is better? What? Albert has always been a weak link on that OL as the LT and should have always been the RT

More importantly, IMO, he'll be 28 come FA next year, and 29 by mid-season 2013. If we're going for someone, I'd really prefer someone who will be at the oldest 27 through next year, and gives us a chance to have them for 5ish good years. The shadow of Jammal Brown looms.

[darrelgreenie]

Who would rather have Willie Smith then Jordan Black?
Who would rather have Bobby Massie then Kirk Cousins?

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Cousins over Massie is understandable because of scheme fit, and that he's not a great pass blocker at all (I seriously doubt he's better than Polumbus in any area). And someone is going to overpay for Kirk in 2 years.
Black over Smith (or Brandon "That one good return makes up for my other 4 ****ty returns and the 2 fumbles" Banks) was a horrible, horrible, horrible call. There is no reason why Smith is not on the roster and Black is.

Also, Albert should have been a GUARD from the beginning, that's what he played in college, but the Chiefs forced him into the tackle spot out of desperation (and wasn't this after cutting some of their quality veteran linemen who were still quite productive?)

[DogofWar1]

Who would rather have Willie Smith then Jordan Black?
Who would rather have Bobby Massie then Kirk Cousins?

Smith over Black, but I didn't watch those two guys close enough to see what the coaches saw.

Cousins over Massie. If Cousins turns into a solid backup, he should be worth more in the long run than Massie, unless Massie turns out great, which I somewhat doubt.

[GWinSkins83]

Who would rather have Willie Smith then Jordan Black?
Who would rather have Bobby Massie then Kirk Cousins?

Yeah Mike effed up on those things right there.

[darrelgreenie]

Cousins over Massie is understandable because of scheme fit, and that he's not a great pass blocker at all (I seriously doubt he's better than Polumbus in any area). And someone is going to overpay for Kirk in 2 years.

Massie is 4th round OT that is a day starter at RT.
I think its safe to say that like most young OL that start early there is a good chance that he improves.
(I'm a fan of pro football focus b/c they give the only individual OL grades out there, I'll post the grades if I can find them w/o paying)

Why would you assume that Cousins is going to garner trade value in 2 years?

---------- Post added September-24th-2012 at 12:49 PM ----------

Cousins over Massie. If Cousins turns into a solid backup, he should be worth more in the long run than Massie, unless Massie turns out great, which I somewhat doubt.

But we don't know what's going to happen w/ Cousins on the other hand Massie would be positive contributor right now and for the future.

[stevemcqueen1]

I thought the Cousins pick was inspired and I'll never complain about it or "what if" it because I wouldn't have been clever enough to make it nor clever enough to make a better one. I think Cousins can be a season saver if RGIII goes down (bound to happen eventually, with or without good protection), or I think he can be a lotto ticket to recouping some of the draft picks we gave up for RGIII.

I think our issues are being overblown in all three phases. We couldn't match up with the Bengals yesterday. Absolutely not with their receivers. And yet we still could have won that game if Trent doesn't get hurt. The Bengals are one of the most talent laden teams in the NFL and we held our own despite the fact their talent level at just about every position other than QB overwhelmed ours.

We've got a fundamentally good football team and organization in place. But they're not going to win a ton of games right now because of youth and injury.

Re: the OL, the OT play yesterday was bad but did anyone watch the interior? They had a great day IMO, and Kory L in particular shone. That's a much better group than I expected going into the year, and there is youth and talent in the pipeline. Tackle is a current problem, but LT will be stabilized when Trent returns and then you go out and get a nice OT in the draft like Oday Aboushi or Jake Matthews with our second rounder and you've got a rookie starter and what should be an immediately good offensive line. Black was a mistake, but what can you do? The problems with the line aren't systemic nor daunting IMO.

The defense will get better when our current talent returns. We're not playing starting caliber safeties right now and our corners are an average group, unable to compensate for deficiencies elsewhere. The front lacks playmakers right now outside of London and Kerrigan, but they're still good and they're coping well despite losing two important starters. I think improving the defense is another limited fix that can be achieved this offseason with the draft and free agency. Sign a big, athletic man cover corner like Talib and that completely changes the makeup of the secondary. Supplement that addition with the return of Merriweather and draft a starting caliber safety and you eliminate most of the fundamental matchup problems IMO. And you've got to figure we can find a starting caliber safety in the middle rounds of this class, maybe an immediate starter.

We've got terrific young players at QB, LT, and both edge rushers. If we keep that core together and continue to build, we'll eventually win a SB.

[darrelgreenie]

I thought the Cousins pick was inspired and I'll never complain about it or "what if" it because I wouldn't have been clever enough to make it nor clever enough to make a better one. I think Cousins can be a season saver if RGIII goes down (bound to happen eventually, with or without good protection), or I think he can be a lotto ticket to recouping some of the draft picks we gave up for RGIII.

I don't understand the basis for the optimism about using Cousin's to yield future draft picks?
What makes Cousin's different from any other young back-up that looks good in preseason?
Cousin's is preparation for a contingency that might never happen and rarely reaps the designed rewards. (what does it matter how good your back-up QB is when you're not playoff/SB hunt?)
Massie help protect your franchise QB today and who knows maybe yesterday helps you win a game?

[GWinSkins83]

Man we need help in a bad way. I mean bad. We need a RT and a swing T for to back them up. We need another WR that can get separation or a big WR that can box out. We need a DLinemen that absolutely needs to be doubled team 50% of the time he's playing. We need a #1 CB. We need atleast one Elite Safety. Thats alot of stuff which probably would have been filled if the cap hit didnt occured. Lets hope RG3 can stay healthy for the next 2 seasons when we get our cap back and go from there.

[abdcskins]

I don't understand the basis for the optimism about using Cousin's to yield future draft picks?
What makes Cousin's different from any other young back-up that looks good in preseason?
Cousin's is preparation for a contingency that might never happen and rarely reaps the designed rewards. (what does it matter how good your back-up QB is when you're not playoff/SB hunt?)
Massie help protect your franchise QB today and who knows maybe yesterday helps you win a game?

Completely agree with this. Particularly, "what does it matter how good your backup QB is when you're not in a playoff/Superbowl hunt?"

You draft to your needs. Once we drafted RG3, QB was no longer a need. Period. We ignored other vital aspects of the team. It was a blown pick. I wouldn't be surprised if Cousins walks in four years and we get nothing in return for him.

[stevemcqueen1]

I don't understand the basis for the optimism about using Cousin's to yield future draft picks?
What makes Cousin's different from any other young back-up that looks good in preseason?
Cousin's is preparation for a contingency that might never happen and rarely reaps the designed rewards. (what does it matter how good your back-up QB is when you're not playoff/SB hunt?)
Massie help protect your franchise QB today and who knows maybe yesterday helps you win a game?

I think Cousins is going to be a starting caliber QB in a couple of years. He's talented, Mike had him as his 3rd QB in the class, and he's in a good situation to develop. You can trade these starting caliber backup QBs for high draft picks down the road. I think that's what we'll do, which is terrific value from a 4th rounder.

Also, we will be a SB contender in a few years if we continue progressing. At that point, Cousins will be coming into his own and an asset to the team should RG3 get hurt.

Who knows if Massie would be a good fit here, or if he could have changed the outcome of yesterday's game. Regardless, those are short term troubles that could become irrelevant if we get what would probably be a better OT in the next class. Is Massie a world beater? I doubt he becomes one.

[GWinSkins83]

I think Cousins is going to be a starting caliber QB in a couple of years. He's talented, Mike had him as his 3rd QB in the class, and he's in a good situation to develop. You can trade these starting caliber backup QBs for high draft picks down the road. I think that's what we'll do, which is terrific value from a 4th rounder.

Also, we will be a SB contender in a few years if we continue progressing. At that point, Cousins will be coming into his own and an asset to the team should RG3 get hurt.

Who knows if Massie would be a good fit here, or if he could have changed the outcome of yesterday's game. Regardless, those are short term troubles that could become irrelevant if we get what would probably be a better OT in the next class. Is Massie a world beater? I doubt he becomes one.

You're put what ifs with Cousins but not with Massie? What if this both Massie and Cousins become equally great at their position. Who would have the most value for this team? And thats what people are getting at. If Massie can develop into a good starter like Cousins can develop into a good starter Massie would be the greater value for this team. Now we are going to have a rookie RT next year and probably a still young secondary giving up pts. So Our FRANCHISE QB has to throw the ball more because we was hoping and wish on a return for a backup QB. When all of this could have been avoided in the 3rd and 4th round this year.