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[The Robert Griffin Experience]

They're not running a WCO are they? I think they run the Pats offense atm.

KC with Geno and a solid LT, with maybe a Shanny disciple at HC (Dennison at HC with maybe LaVay as OC, and maybe you go to the 4-3 to see if you can salvage Jackson and Poe) could be nasty.

[Dukes and Skins]

They're not running a WCO are they? I think they run the Pats offense atm.

KC with Geno and a solid LT, with maybe a Shanny disciple at HC (Dennison at HC with maybe LaVay as OC, and maybe you go to the 4-3 to see if you can salvage Jackson and Poe) could be nasty.

They run a version of the Pats O, but its more WCO based than the downfield passing IMO

[stevemcqueen1]

Oh don't get me wrong. I think Geno Smith could be a QB along the lines of Aaron Rodgers, and Smith has some natural elusiveness in the pocket. If I'm the Chiefs or Jags (Gabbert is a failure, thank you Shanny for not picking him) then I take him #1. But you're not getting RGIII. I think his ceiling is somewhere between Jay Cutler and Aaron Rodgers.

I think both Cutler and Rodgers are significantly bigger physical talents than Smith. Cutler was a beast when he came out, Rodgers has become a beast since he came out. Those guys are power throwers. Smith is fast and elusive, but I don't see the same playmaking potential and physical attributes those two QBs have. I do think he's the best QB prospect I've seen in this class so far. But I also think this QB class is pretty weak. It's all potential, none of the guys with the best attributes have put it together on the field as passers and smoother operators.

---------- Post added October-20th-2012 at 06:47 PM ----------

KC could easily revert to a 4-3 defense. DJ and Hali could certainly play in that scheme, they are their two best players. The coverages would be fine with their level of talent in the secondary. Dorsey is a natural 4-3 player anyway, Allen Bailey could play a range of 4-3 positions. and and you can play Poe at 1 technique and use Jackson as a base end and under tackle using Hali and Houston as your primary edge rushers. Houston could play two roles, rush end and OLB. You've got the horses on the defensive line to run a 4-3 in KC. Probably need a good MLB though. I'd want DJ at WILL probably.

They've got really good personnel. They could probably keep running the 3-4 and thrive over time too.

[Monk4thaHALL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0_ueLOWGdU

(BTW, good post. Lots of info in there, didn't quote it all).

I remember that game and I remember watching that cut-up before. Uh, you know, the times he makes some plays he looks good. Other times, it looks like he's just another player. I usually get a different feel during real time than I do with cut-ups. I mean, he looked fresh there vs ND, more lively than today vs Ohio State.

I don't think I need go play for play there. I just ... in between those times that he can use his strength, that slap/swim, he still looks "slow" to me. And maybe that's a relative thing. I don't know who to compare it to or against or how to really measure it out.

To me (at least right now) it's not a matter of inconsistency, it's a matter of limitation. It's not so much lack of consistent motor as much as it is lack of gears to the motor.

I think he's got a good 1st gear and a 2nd gear. That's when he can win a POA match-up with a power move (slap/swim) and stuff something or disrupt something. I don't know if he has a 3rd gear. And he certainly does not have a 4th gear.

So, I think it's less that he's "on" and then "off" or giving less an effort when he looks average, as much as he has a certain limit of quickness and speed and he's not built to make certain plays.

That's just how my read is right now.

I still like him as a candidate, specifically for the Skins, but again ... last week Bowen had a chance to sack Ponder, he couldn't do it, just not built to stop start and change direct on a dime when Ponder did his shimmy shake. I don't think Short makes that sack of Ponder either.

Short's lack of quicks would be kind-of par for the course around here. Of course, I'm always open to different possibilities and interpretation.

---------- Post added October-20th-2012 at 07:17 PM ----------

Gus Johnson is calling the WVU game tonight - so you know there's going to be some cocaine heart attack awesome calls, for either team.

---------- Post added October-20th-2012 at 07:30 PM ----------

Geno in a WCO Offense like KC is just not fair.

Somebody is going to hire an Air Raid or Spread coach / coaches to pair with Geno, I suspect. Or I should say, I would do something like that myself.

[Laron Burgundy]

I'm sorry but what? The bolded part is the complete opposite

Certainly on some of his throws he gets it out quickly, but he has a noticeable windup on some intermediate throws. Perhaps inconsistent mechanics, but his release isn't what I would consider quick for a pro player.

Oh don't get me wrong. I think Geno Smith could be a QB along the lines of Aaron Rodgers, and Smith has some natural elusiveness in the pocket. If I'm the Chiefs or Jags (Gabbert is a failure, thank you Shanny for not picking him) then I take him #1. But you're not getting RGIII. I think his ceiling is somewhere between Jay Cutler and Aaron Rodgers.

His ceiling is somewhere between an average qb and the best qb in the league? Haha, that's a pretty broad range. Right now his mechanics are sloppy, and with a pro qb coach that COULD change, so it really depends how well he takes to coaching, but as he is now I see him being much closer to an Alex Smith than a Rodgers. That's not necessarily an insult, I would take Smith at qb over Cutler at this point in their careers.

[Prototype]

I see Geno Smith as a young McNabb. Great pocket elusiveness, but not really a burner, poor throwing mechanics but a howitzer of an arm.

[Kostaskins]

Ilb from Kansas state is pretty good too! Miami transfer

[TheREALJBird]

Ilb from Kansas state is pretty good too! Miami transfer

Arthur Brown, hated to see him leave Miami. Him and his brother Bryce both transferred from the U.

[Monk4thaHALL]

I see Geno Smith as a young McNabb. Great pocket elusiveness, but not really a burner, poor throwing mechanics but a howitzer of an arm.

He's got an alright arm, but he can't generate the same level of velocity as RG3. Not the same level of torque or range either. Less so than Tannehill too, imo.

So, not a howitzer.

(Unless you're trying to describe the trajectory and descent of his throws).

[NLC1054]

He's got an alright arm, but he can't generate the same level of velocity as RG3. Not the same level of torque or range either. Less so than Tannehill too, imo.

Robert's arm is close to elite. I don't think that's a good base.

I think Geno's arm is somewhere in the range of a guy like Tom Brady; really good, not great.

---------- Post added October-20th-2012 at 09:52 PM ----------

His ceiling is somewhere between an average qb and the best qb in the league? Haha, that's a pretty broad range. Right now his mechanics are sloppy, and with a pro qb coach that COULD change, so it really depends how well he takes to coaching, but as he is now I see him being much closer to an Alex Smith than a Rodgers. That's not necessarily an insult, I would take Smith at qb over Cutler at this point in their careers.

What exactly is sloppy about Geno's mechanics?

He throws from a good base, there's no hitch in his throwing motion, no big wind up, he doesn't push the ball...I don't see sloppy mechanics at all.

I also think comparing Robert to Geno is silly. It's like comparing Robert and Vick. They're fundamentally different quarterbacks; the main thing they have is common is being black and being athletic.

[stevemcqueen1]

He's got an alright arm, but he can't generate the same level of velocity as RG3. Not the same level of torque or range either. Less so than Tannehill too, imo.

So, not a howitzer.

(Unless you're trying to describe the trajectory and descent of his throws).

I agree with you. I'll also add that I think Geno is a lesser athlete than Tannehill. He's a lesser athlete than Locker too. I like his poise but I just don't think he's the kind of playmaker RGIII is. I don't see the ability to turn negatives into positives. I think the WVU offense has been exposed a bit the last two weeks.

[Laron Burgundy]

Robert's arm is close to elite. I don't think that's a good base.

I think Geno's arm is somewhere in the range of a guy like Tom Brady; really good, not great.

---------- Post added October-20th-2012 at 09:52 PM ----------



What exactly is sloppy about Geno's mechanics?

He throws from a good base, there's no hitch in his throwing motion, no big wind up, he doesn't push the ball...I don't see sloppy mechanics at all.

I also think comparing Robert to Geno is silly. It's like comparing Robert and Vick. They're fundamentally different quarterbacks; the main thing they have is common is being black and being athletic.

He winds up on some throws that should just be a flick of his wrist. I'm not saying it's a big dramatic motion. And it's not all the time, which is why I say sloppy, though perhaps you could call it inconsistent instead.

He's a good prospect, but not close to elite. I don't see how people could still defend him as a top 3 pick.

[NLC1054]

He winds up on some throws that should just be a flick of his wrist. I'm not saying it's a big dramatic motion. And it's not all the time, which is why I say sloppy, though perhaps you could call it inconsistent instead.

He's a good prospect, but not close to elite. I don't see how people could still defend him as a top 3 pick.

Who's better?

You've got Barkley, who's probably the most prototypical quarterback, but he's got his own limitation. You've got Tyler Wilson, who's also pretty prototypical.

There's no out and a way "elite" caliber talent like there was last year. What you have is three quarterbacks who have the potential to be very, very good. Geno isn't "elite" in the way Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III was, but he certainly deserves to be in the conversation for the top three quarterbacks on the board, and he has the kind of ceiling that, provided you develop him the right way and surround him with talent, could be very successful.

Geno reminds me of a combo between Steve McNair and Tom Brady. He's going to make his money in the pocket with his accuracy and his decision making, but he's enough of an athlete that he'll be able to make a few plays with his legs to keep the defense off guard.

[Dukes and Skins]

Again, Geno is by far the #1 pick today and it isn't even close

[SMU Redskin]

If Geno Smith is the #1 pick, that is a damning indictment of the QB talent in this year's class.

Does anyone else think a big, red zone/3rd down target tight end should be considered in this draft class? Eifert will probably be gone by the second round, but you've still got Ertz and Toilolo at Stanford, Fauria at UCLA, and Dion Sims at Michigan State who fit the bill, just to name a few.