2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[SemperFi Skins]

Ellington Clemson

haha I was just about to bring him up. He's got the best long speed in the entire RB class for 2013. His downfield speed is blinding and once he's hit that second level, good luck to the defense! I'd take Ellington any day of the week as a compliment to Morris. He's not an everydown back. He reminds me of a poor mans CJ Spiller.

Another guy I'm man crushing on under the radar is red shirt sophmore Giovani Bernard out of UNC. Reminds me of Kevin Smith. Perfect for the zone blocking scheme and token Shanny pick.

[stevemcqueen1]

I'm not a fan of Ellington. Goes down on first contact every time and has poor vision.

[Dukes and Skins]

This is probably the case for most NFL teams. All I'm saying is he has 1st round talent. If he slides to the later rounds, you're looking at a potential starter in the secondary. You are a hell of a scout already Dukes, so you have to admit watching tape of him, he is a ballhawk out there.

Not saying he's not a ballhawk, his game tape is obvious. His off the field issues are very troublesome to me

[GWinSkins83]

I'm not a fan of Ellington. Goes down on first contact every time and has poor vision.

He not gonna be a workhorse back and every prospect is going to have something wrong with them. I know he'll have something to bring to this backfield and that is speed.

[Samuels]

I would defintely take a late round flyer on the honey badger pure playmaker I think he does well in the slot damn sure better then anything we got now.

Amerson is overrated I thought he was last year as well.

I really hope Minniefield gets healthy because we gotta fix this secondary to make it a strenght. We will always score with RG3 and teams will be throwing alot.

[stevemcqueen1]

He not gonna be a workhorse back and every prospect is going to have something wrong with them. I know he'll have something to bring to this backfield and that is speed.

He's definitely fast. But you have to scheme him out in space for him to be productive because he doesn't find space to run inside and just runs too passive to make his own yards. Truth be told, I don't really like him for any scheme and don't think he's going to be that good in the NFL. I really don't like him for a zone read where his vision is going to be an issue. Maybe he can play in a power blocking spread. I don't think he's a good fit here.

---------- Post added October-26th-2012 at 11:28 PM ----------

I would defintely take a late round flyer on the honey badger pure playmaker I think he does well in the slot damn sure better then anything we got now.

Been out of football for a year though if he comes out now. What kind of shape is he in? Mike Williams (Syracuse) quit football midseason a couple of years ago, but he still played some that year and got into shape and got hit.

Honey Badger has always had a kind of short, small boned frame. I think it'd be easy for him to fall out of shape, especially if he smokes a lot.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

He's definitely fast. But you have to scheme him out in space for him to be productive because he doesn't find space to run inside and just runs too passive to make his own yards. Truth be told, I don't really like him for any scheme and don't think he's going to be that good in the NFL. I really don't like him for a zone read where his vision is going to be an issue. Maybe he can play in a power blocking spread. I don't think he's a good fit here.[COLOR="Gold"]

You understate the case.

A RB without vision simply cannot succeed in this offense. Torain and Hightower, despite having many other traits needed for a ZBS back, failed because they didn't have vision. Evan Royster and Roy Helu, as well as Morris, are both great in regards to vision (actually I think Royster has the best vision of the bunch). Even if a back had the physical profile of Adrian Peterson, without elite vision, he would massively underachieve because the run game is predicated on reading cutback lanes and the hole the zone blocking opens up.

[GWinSkins83]

He's definitely fast. But you have to scheme him out in space for him to be productive because he doesn't find space to run inside and just runs too passive to make his own yards. Truth be told, I don't really like him for any scheme and don't think he's going to be that good in the NFL. I really don't like him for a zone read where his vision is going to be an issue. Maybe he can play in a power blocking spread. I don't think he's a good fit here.

---------- Post added October-26th-2012 at 11:28 PM ----------



Been out of football for a year though if he comes out now. What kind of shape is he in? Mike Williams (Syracuse) quit football midseason a couple of years ago, but he still played some that year and got into shape and got hit.

Honey Badger has always had a kind of short, small boned frame. I think it'd be easy for him to fall out of shape, especially if he smokes a lot.

I actually vision him in this offense. They running a whole new offense from when he first got there. I really not looking for him run between tackles either.

[stevemcqueen1]

I actually vision him in this offense. They running a whole new offense from when he first got there. I really not looking for him run between tackles either.

He's going to have to run between the tackles some though. Run off tackle too. Maybe you could use him as a WR/RB hybrid like Reggie Bush was in New Orleans but that's not many touches a game. A back needs plenty of opportunities to regularly produce.

Ideally you want a back like Morris, only fast. I wouldn't want us to have to change our offense when the guy came in because then you start selling you calls. You would want to be able to run the same suite of inside runs, tosses, and options that Morris has gotten yards off of, then some more. Maybe he won't be as good at the inside runs as Morris, but he should be able to do them alright to leave that option on the table.

I like Gillislee for us better than Ellington I think. He's fast and can get to the edge before the defense, but Gillislee also runs strong between the tackles and has ok vision. His cutbacks aren't always great but he always manages to get some yards. He's pretty elusive with good hips.

I still think Montee Ball is the best fit for us overall. Great quickness and vision and just understands how to defeat tacklers to get his yards. He's like Morris only a lot quicker.

---------- Post added October-27th-2012 at 04:11 AM ----------

Montee Ball looks like he's back to his old self.



That dude would be an All-Pro in our scheme. Anyone still think it's his OL doing it all? On almost every run he's making multiple guys miss. Even when the defense was in the backfield.

I think he's the best RB in the class for us. My only concerns are the two concussions and the amount of carries he's had. But he hasn't missed time yet.

[stevemcqueen1]

Sheldon Richardson is definitely intriguing. Ridiculously coordinated and agile athlete. Super quick and very good at timing the snap. Super comfortable runner. He's a 300 pound MLB. His body control when he tackles is outstanding. His comfort playing in pursuit is also pretty exciting. His ability to split double teams is just fantastic. The guy clearly played LB at some point in his life. 34 is an odd number for a DT. Came to Missouri as a LB? He looks small for a 300 pounder.

The problem with him is a lack of power. He's a huge project because he basically has no power game whatsoever and his body is not NFL mature. He plays the game like a MLB in a 3 & 4 pt stance and everything he does is predicated on him just totally outclassing offensive linemen with his superior coordination and quickness. It's pretty remarkable. He'll get moved way off the ball and/or engulfed pretty easily, but damned if he couldn't be a weapon against the passing game with his ability to just run by an OL.

It's going to take a long time and a lot of work for Richardson to mold his body into an NFL interior DL and develop the requisite strength to play in our scheme. But 300 pounders who run like him are virtually nonexistent. As comfortable as he is on his feet, and as trim as he looks, I bet he could add a ton of weight. I think he could reach 320 and still be one of the most fluid athletes at DL in the league. He needs to turn some of his current bulk into good bulk and drastically add strength to his base. He's got skinny legs. So again, huge project. But man, if you could develop an athlete like that into a powerful player, his ceiling would be so high.

[wilco_holland]

Been out of football for a year though if he comes out now. What kind of shape is he in? Mike Williams (Syracuse) quit football midseason a couple of years ago, but he still played some that year and got into shape and got hit.

Honey Badger has always had a kind of short, small boned frame. I think it'd be easy for him to fall out of shape, especially if he smokes a lot.

Beeing the same from only 3inch taller, I can tell you it goes fast. If you don't keep your workout going and have a good diet, then he will be quickly out of shape. Not condition wise but physical wise.

I really believe in football players and that they will find ways to make plays. I would invest some time in him, but right now I serious doubt if the makes any sence. This is just stupid.

[Dukes and Skins]

Still a 3rd round back for me Steve. RE Ball

[Darth Tater]

You understate the case.

A RB without vision simply cannot succeed in this offense. Torain and Hightower, despite having many other traits needed for a ZBS back, failed because they didn't have vision. Evan Royster and Roy Helu, as well as Morris, are both great in regards to vision (actually I think Royster has the best vision of the bunch). Even if a back had the physical profile of Adrian Peterson, without elite vision, he would massively underachieve because the run game is predicated on reading cutback lanes and the hole the zone blocking opens up.

Not envisioning a primary zone stretch back. Think Helu before injury: good blocker (at least according to the public proclamations of coaches and experts), solid receiver and fast. The back I'm envisioning is a guy who would provide a good trail back on an option, can be the personal protector for the QB after action to the FB and can run the check downs and under routes on a roll out. Finally, if Helu can't do that anymore, is a late pick or udfa quality.

[GWinSkins83]

He's going to have to run between the tackles some though. Run off tackle too. Maybe you could use him as a WR/RB hybrid like Reggie Bush was in New Orleans but that's not many touches a game. A back needs plenty of opportunities to regularly produce.

Ideally you want a back like Morris, only fast. I wouldn't want us to have to change our offense when the guy came in because then you start selling you calls. You would want to be able to run the same suite of inside runs, tosses, and options that Morris has gotten yards off of, then some more. Maybe he won't be as good at the inside runs as Morris, but he should be able to do them alright to leave that option on the table.

I like Gillislee for us better than Ellington I think. He's fast and can get to the edge before the defense, but Gillislee also runs strong between the tackles and has ok vision. His cutbacks aren't always great but he always manages to get some yards. He's pretty elusive with good hips.

I still think Montee Ball is the best fit for us overall. Great quickness and vision and just understands how to defeat tacklers to get his yards. He's like Morris only a lot quicker.

---------- Post added October-27th-2012 at 04:11 AM ----------

Montee Ball looks like he's back to his old self.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eaFp_pnrAs

That dude would be an All-Pro in our scheme. Anyone still think it's his OL doing it all? On almost every run he's making multiple guys miss. Even when the defense was in the backfield.

I think he's the best RB in the class for us. My only concerns are the two concussions and the amount of carries he's had. But he hasn't missed time yet.

WE HAVE ALFRED MORRIS. It seems you want to move Morris down a spot. Im not looking for a back that needs the ball 20 times a game that's Alfred's job. I'm looking for a back that is a homerun anytime he touches the ball. Ball is a everydown back and so is Gillesee. Also if Ball is best in class he will be picked in 2nd or 3rd range. I wouldn't draft for that cause he wont make the offense better. I mean teams already have 8 in the box now. So I nothing he brings to the offense that we don't have already. I want speed and the same things you are saying about Ellington was said bout Jamal Charles.

[stevemcqueen1]

Still a 3rd round back for me Steve. RE Ball

Better than where he was a few weeks ago when there was 4th or 5th round talk. And he only came into the season as maybe a second rounder IIRC.

I actually hope you're right that he goes in the third because I want us to get him. He's probably my favorite player in the class. I love the way he runs the ball and blocks.