Name This QB (don't look it up)

[ArmchairRedskin]

If Vick were to tweak a knee or for whatever reason had to wear a knee brace, he would wither and his offense would sputter through the air. You put a knee brace on Rodgers and he's still likely to throw 4000 yards and 30 TD's. Vick is just not a great passer. Honestly, the way he whines all the time, I question whether he's a good leader. He's always trying to blame somebody for something.

A QB is absolutely defined by his passing ability . Tebow will never ever be in the "Great QB" discussion because he's a terrible passer. QB's are leaders by default anyway. Any QB worth his salt takes charge of his team. I don't think you can be a great passer and a bad leader. They go hand in hand.


Vick will never be a great QB. He will never be in the discussion for the HOF.

You can trot out all the metrics and weird DVOA stats you want. It's just the way it is.

[KLJ]

You take away Rodgers' ability to run and he still has the ability to be a top QB. You can't say the same for Vick.

Vick's best attribute is his running. Rodgers' best attribute is his passing.

Rodgers' running ability augments his passing ability. Vick's running ability facilitates his passing ability.

When your best attribute as a QB is your ability to run, you will never be a great QB. A QB is defined by his ability to pass the ball.

Bottom line is Vick will never ever be a great passer and therefore will never ever be a great QB.

well said.

[darrelgreenie]

If Vick were to tweak a knee or for whatever reason had to wear a knee brace, he would wither and his offense would sputter through the air. You put a knee brace on Rodgers and he's still likely to throw 4000 yards and 30 TD's. Vick is just not a great passer. Honestly, the way he whines all the time, I question whether he's a good leader. He's always trying to blame somebody for something.

Vick whines all the time? And always blames somebody for something?
I don't care for NFL rumor mill.

But about the whole knee brace thing its nice to see that you can predict what would happen in hypothetical situations.

A QB is absolutely defined by his passing ability . Tebow will never ever be in the "Great QB" discussion because he's a terrible passer.

I guess if you state your opinion as an absolute it ends the discussion?
Let me try it: A QB is absolutely defined by their ability to lead. (I like it)
Huh? Tebow being a great QB..who said that...smells like strawman...
I was curious how your passing only view of a QB accounts for Tebow leading a 1-5 team to playoff victory?
Or are you gonna ignore this question too?

QB's are leaders by default anyway. Any QB worth his salt takes charge of his team. I don't think you can be a great passer and a bad leader. They go hand in hand.

The QB is leadership position just like a team captain but being a team captain or a QB doesn't make you a leader.
Leadership is earned not appointed.
Google:Jeff George leadership

Vick will never be a great QB. He will never be in the discussion for the HOF.

lol your ability to see into the future is astounding.
But, you never answered my question about Vick in 2010.
How would you rate him as QB that year?

If Vick were to win a SB he would be in the HOF discussion but considering he almost threw his whole career away with the dog fighting ring yeah being in the HOF is a longshot.

Hey, since you can see the future and all got some tips on tonights games?

[ArmchairRedskin]

Vick's whining isn't from the rumor mill, it's from his press conferences. You just need to pay attention.

I tell you what.

You keep living in the world where
Vick is a great QB
Jason Campbell is a good QB
the Redskins definitely will not draft Robert Griffin
the Shanahans definitely would not changer their offense for Griffin

and I'll live in the real world where none of that is true.


Get at me after Vick retires without a Championship and is only remembered as a running QB who was in prison that time for running a dog fighting ring and torturing dogs.



PS Jeff George was never a great passer and is not remembered as such.

[darrelgreenie]

Vick's whining isn't from the rumor mill, it's from his press conferences. You just need to pay attention.

I tell you what.

You keep living in the world where
Vick is a great QB
Jason Campbell is a good QB
the Redskins definitely will not draft Robert Griffin
the Shanahans definitely would not changer their offense for Griffin

and I'll live in the real world where none of that is true.

Get at me after Vick retires without a Championship and is only remembered as a running QB who was in prison that time for running a dog fighting ring and torturing dogs.

PS Jeff George was never a great passer and is not remembered as such.

Sweet bro!
Just keeping fabricating my views whenever we disagree about a specific issue; then getting all upset over your own fabrications.
lol, its pretty amusing that you don't even realize that I've never said Vick was a 'great' QB.
The only thing you got right was yes, I think Jason Campbell is a good QB.

Cheers bro!

[ArmchairRedskin]

Sweet bro!
Just keeping fabricating my views whenever we disagree about a specific issue; then getting all upset over your own fabrications.
lol, its pretty amusing that you don't even realize that I've never said Vick was a 'great' QB.
The only thing you got right was yes, I think Jason Campbell is a good QB.

Cheers bro!

Uh, you made threads where post after post you had Griffin as the last QB the Redskins would draft (I believe you even made a list?) and you also made post after boring post about how the Shanahans would not adjust their offense. You denying that now? You know I can pull up the threads, right?

I'm not upset about anything. I just know when I'm right. i don't need to argue nonsense minutia with somebody who is entrenched in their position of being dead wrong.



Hey why don't you tell me the story again of how Mike Shanahan would never tell us who he was gonna draft in the first round that time after he said he we needed a complimentary OLB for Rak as his biggest need and then went ahead and drafted Kerrigan. How does that one go again?

[darrelgreenie]

Uh, you made threads where post after post you had Griffin as the last QB the Redskins would draft (I believe you even made a list?) and you also made post after boring post about how the Shanahans would not adjust their offense. You denying that now? You know I can pull up the threads, right?

I'm not upset about anything. I just know when I'm right. i don't need to argue nonsense minutia with somebody who is entrenched in their position of being dead wrong.

For someone that's not upset your tone sure does come across that way.
My views are very clearly stated and possibly over your head judging by your misrepresentations.
But then again you're the person that's insisting that I've said Vick is great when I haven't said that one time.
So why am I not surprised.

[ArmchairRedskin]

For someone that's not upset your tone sure does come across that way.
My views are very clearly stated and possibly over your head judging by your misrepresentations.
But then again you're the person that's insisting that I've said Vick is great when I haven't said that one time.
So why am I not surprised.

Over my head? Isn't the spirit of your argument one that suggests that VIck isn't just a runner, but a good passer as well? Aren't you busy dragging up stats and metrics from FO to support that postion

I see you ignored the other part of my post? You want me to pull the threads up? Whats up with all the insults?

You're trying to chastise me for trying to tell the future, yet you've tried to predict the future and were wrong on a number of occasions, a few of which I've listed.

I remember you arguing with me that Griffin couldn't make all the throws that Cam makes. Now I see you drug up one of your old threads in which you posted that Griffin indeed could make all of the same throws. Funny how that works.

My tone might come across as upset to you, but thats the trouble with the internet, isn't it? I'm actually having a good time remembering all the times you were wrong. A really good time indeed. I think that might go over your head, though.

[darrelgreenie]

Over my head? You want me to pull the threads up? Whats up with all the insults?

I'm not the one who's been wrong a bunch of predictions

I remember you arguing with me that Griffin couldn't make all the throws that Cam makes. Now I see you drug up one of your old threads in which you posted that Griffin indeed could make all of the same throws. Funny how that works.

My tone might come across as upset to you, but thats the trouble with the internet, isn't it? I'm actually having a good time remembering all the times you were wrong. A really good time indeed. I think that might go over your head, though.

Dude, you really have no clue about my position on anything.
lol, Dude look at the timeline, ammo bumped that thread and I responded all happened prior to our current exchange.(but why let the truth get in your way huh?)
In that thread ammo and I are having a discussion about something specific. (but you already know that because you've obviously been reading that past few posts in that thread)
And to be clear my thought that I guess you are trying to refer to above was that Cam is a superior arm talent to Griffin and I still think that.
But, I'm still one of the few people on this forum that has always maintained that Griffin is a better prospect then Luck.
I'm sure I've made some predictions that didn't turn out, anyone that makes predictions is gonna be wrong sometimes, yourself included.
Personally I try to stay away from predictions, I post to have discussions.

But hey, whatever floats your boat bro, but even a casual passer by in this thread, much like last time ('don't post at me') can see the truth.

---------- Post added August-24th-2012 at 08:26 PM ----------

Well since our discussion has shifted from Vick; heck shifted from football and to some grudge you harbor against me.
I'm gonna find somewhere to I don't know actually talk football.

-Cheers

[ArmchairRedskin]

Dude, you really have no clue about my position on anything.
lol, Dude look at the timeline, ammo bumped that thread and I responded all happened prior to our current exchange.(but why let the truth get in your way huh?)
Anyway, I'm one of the few people on this forum that has always maintained that Griffin is a better prospect then Luck.
I'm sure I've made some predictions that didn't turn out, anyone that makes predictions is gonna be wrong sometimes, yourself included.
Personally I try to stay away from predictions, I post to have discussions.

But hey, whatever floats your boat bro, but even a casual passer by in this thread, much like last time ('don't post at me') can see the truth.

---------- Post added August-24th-2012 at 08:26 PM ----------

Well since our discussion has shifted from Vick; heck shifted from football and to some grudge you harbor against me.
I'm gonna find somewhere to I don't know actually talk football.

-Cheers

You do that. You're right. I don't like you. You spend way too much time trying to toot your own horn. But I have no grudge. I just took the opportunity to point out that you chastised me for making predictions when you have yourself, In fact., made a bunch of them that turned out to be wrong.

You don't want this kind of response, then turn down the self appreciation a notch and stop trying to talk down to people.

By the way, who bumped the thread and when you posted what you did has no bearing on the fact that you argued that Griffin couldn't make the same throws as Cam back then and now you are saying the exact opposite.

Take some ownership, tone down the knowitall tone.

And like I told you before, do yourself a favor and don't respond to my posts, I don't like you.

[darrelgreenie]

You do that. You're right. I don't like you. You spend way too much time trying to toot your own horn. But I have no grudge. I just took the opportunity to point out that you chastised me for making predictions when you have yourself, In fact., made a bunch of them that turned out to be wrong.

You don't want this kind of response, then turn down the self appreciation a notch and stop trying to talk down to people.

By the way, who bumped the thread and when you posted what you did has no bearing on the fact that you argued that Griffin couldn't make the same throws as Cam back then and now you are saying the exact opposite.

Take some ownership, tone down the knowitall tone.

And like I told you before, do yourself a favor and don't respond to my posts, I don't like you.

Classic bro.

But, I think, lol, since you have a meltdown (like right now) everytime we have a discussion that you might want to avoid my posts?

lol, I don't know, just sayin-

lol, Cheers bro!

[SkinsFTW]

Hahaha, this place is funny

[ArmchairRedskin]

Classic bro.

But, I think, lol, since you have a meltdown (like right now) everytime we have a discussion that you might want to avoid my posts?

lol, I don't know, just sayin-

lol, Cheers bro!

Meltdown? I don't think that word means what you think it means. Where did I melt down? i just laid it plainly on the table for you because you seem to have forgotten the other two times I told you not to respond to me.

Lets not gloss over the fact that I was cordial until you started being snarky with the prediction comments.

Hopefully the third time is the charm.

[PaintballX3.com]

You guys should get a room....

[pjfootballer]

Pjfootballer, football outsiders isn't the be all end all for stats, they are just something else to consider. There is more to yards, stats and touchdowns. Yes, those are the stats that people remember. Not saying you are right or wrong, but you should consider all the facts.[COLOR="Gold"]

I can dig that. I know that there is more to it than whats on the surface. But I think the point of the whole thing was, the stats that I threw out are stats that everyday fans and media see when evaluating a player. I've been a sports fan since I was about 8 years old and I have some friends who are pretty knowledgable about different sports, and not once has anyone brought in advanced metrics or DVOA to cement their position on a players abilities and that's what he was doing.

The point was to show the good and the bad. It just so happens that his best was against your team. If you paid close attention to the rest of the post, I think you can figure out that I don't think Vick will ever be leadign my team to a Super Bowl. I have never taunted anyone while posting on these boards. I'm probably the nicest Eagle poster here.

Not saying you were trolling, I know your history and I know you don't do that type of thing, but the tone of the post came off that way. It came off as a sort of a shot against us.

---------- Post added August-27th-2012 at 09:37 AM ----------

Wow, Vick is comparible to Rodgers? Now I've seen everything. Wow, just wow.