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    dude get to the 21st century. time moves much faster, players are expected to adjust much quicker, results should appear much sooner. RG3 better perform just as well if not better than cam and even dalton for that matter. dont set the bar so low just because you are afraid to get hurt when you see rg3 do terribly.

    teams are structured differently with completely different mentalities than the teams almost TWO DECADES ago. Modern teams (for the most part), now, adjust their schemes to help the rookies succeed as best they can where as when peyton maning first started playing football with the dinosaurs, teams were expecting and waiting for rookies to adjust to their system. two different mentalities. life moves faster now, so expectations, which were just as high back then as it is now, are given a shorter time to be met. we are set to have RG3 do better than last season, if he doesnt then we will all start having excuses... ahem

    it's ok to dream and even if you are too afraid to do so, dont try to temper it for everyone.
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    You would really take Griffin over Rodgers? Or is that based on their college careers? If that's true, one would also take him over Brady, Brees, and many other QBs. It's what makes NFL talent evaluation so tough.
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    That being said, coming out of college who is the more talented QB, Robert or Aaron? If today was the draft and you had no idea how Rodgers would end up who would you select in the draft?
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    Without a doubt I would take Griffin. Griffin is like Aaron Rodgers on HGH.

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    I agree with everything said in the OP. The difference I see with Griffin right now is going to be boots and rolls. It won't allow the defense to cheat to one side or the other like they did Peytons first year. Peytons first year, they knew that he would have trouble with the reads. Griffin will have those same problems, but with his movement possibilities, it changes things for the defense. Defenders have to stay home so that freezes the defense to a point. It will be less of a read for them and more of a react. By that I mean, they won't see the flow going right and immediately go that direction. With Griffin, they may see the flow going right, but have to wait to react to see if Griffin boots to the left before reacting to it. That opens up a lot of things in the passing game.

    Time will tell but I think Shanny is planning on using that to his benefit.
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    I think a few folk have taken the 'comparison' in the thread title a little too literally.

    I was merely interested in how the rookie season of a man who is right up there in the GOAT debate IMHO played out; being as we have one of two QB's taken this year widely considered the best potential talent since that guy came out; to give an example of what could happen here this year and not panic therein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sQuijeW View Post
    dude get to the 21st century. time moves much faster, players are expected to adjust much quicker, results should appear much sooner. RG3 better perform just as well if not better than cam and even dalton for that matter. dont set the bar so low just because you are afraid to get hurt when you see rg3 do terribly.

    teams are structured differently with completely different mentalities than the teams almost TWO DECADES ago. Modern teams (for the most part), now, adjust their schemes to help the rookies succeed as best they can where as when peyton maning first started playing football with the dinosaurs, teams were expecting and waiting for rookies to adjust to their system. two different mentalities. life moves faster now, so expectations, which were just as high back then as it is now, are given a shorter time to be met. we are set to have RG3 do better than last season, if he doesnt then we will all start having excuses... ahem

    it's ok to dream and even if you are too afraid to do so, dont try to temper it for everyone.
    If you are expecting RGIII to blow up like Cam than I'm afraid you may be sadly disappointed. To expect a rookie to come in and just light up the league is just unrealistic. You base your opinion on two rookies from last year and completely ignore every other rookie QB who struggled early on in their careers. It's good to be excited about our young signal caller buy font expect miracles. It takes time.

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    As it's one thing to compare a great QB to a NEW Rookie QB in 2012, there's a trend that requires consideration. It has been more common for touted Rookie QB's to come out and have better rookie seasons than in the past.

    Sam Bradford had a decent first year as did Cam Newton. I see RG III to be a step up from these two. 60% completion rates and a positive TD/INT ration have been normal. We are not in 2004 or 2005 anymore and even then Eli Manning's first 16 game season had him at these ratios.

    As with each season, injuries and talent in the supporting cast is paramount in rookie year success. The OL is going to figure into RG III's stat line for sure. As the new QB matures and becomes more comfortable in the pocket, teams will have to protect much more and not be able to push him around like would be expected in the first 1/4 of the season.

    RB's and a rushing attack will be huge in a rookie stat line and the ability to dump and burn a contain and collapse rush will keep this philosophy in check. As RG III can place a deep ball and a connection with a speedy WR becomes common place, the game is going to slow down and defending safeties are going to be required to stay out of the box and protect.

    RGIII is going to come into his own predictably with success and failure just as any other team in the NFL. More tape, more effective game planning. I would expect some initial success and some poor mistakes to result in turnovers. The Skins 2012 will not hinge on RGIII, but the results of a Defense that's expected to be in the top 10 or better is where the Win Loss column will be determined in the end.

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