WP: Texans Rebel Against Smart Electric Meters

[JimboDaMan]

Yes, some people do favor things like responsibility and life. Damn them all.

Huh?

Where are these people? Do they have a website I can check out?

http://www.gop.com

So wait, you want data about your household activity sent back and forth to utility companies, when utility (phone) companies have a history of setting up secret government monitoring rooms in their facilities? Sounds like you'd fit in well with the people on the website you're about to provide me.

Unless you think your toaster is monitoring you, I don't get the parallel.

[Corcaigh]

Oh sure. I just expect misrepresentation of the opposing position from some people. You're not one of those people.

I think Burgold would appreciate it if you stop misrepresenting what he is. Or something.

[Burgold]

Oh sure. I just expect misrepresentation of the opposing position from some people. You're not one of those people.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is a misrepresentation.

Look at the current stance on gun rights. It's way too binary. Seems most for gun rights (esp in the NRA etc) are opposed to any restrictions and they fought tooth and nail against limiting gun access to those who have violent psychiatric histories. They've done so since at least Virginia Tech. Now, they say they are doing so because they don't want any kind of registery declaring who owns what... privacy rights, but hand in hand with that is that if you are not allowing gun vendors, the FBI, or agencies to communicate then you are in fact making it easier for these people who seem to be emerging every other week these days to go from psychiatrically unstable and violent to psychiatrically, violent, and armed to the teeth.

Now, I think there is a fine line, but I think we've become way to timid in addressing these issues. There are patterns we are ignoring that are blatant and loud and obvious, but we ignore them because we are afraid to wrestle with these super powerful lobbies who've gone plaid... like the NRA.

[Teller]

Unfortunately, I don't think it is a misrepresentation.

Fair enough. Kindly show me the code section that allows for people to be arrested for "looking foreign."

As to the actual story here, this MAY be a good thing. And it may be effective in helping power companies monitor the grid and respond accordingly. But yes, my trust HAS been eroded when it comes to information about me and my household. And with good reason, NSA.

[twa]

If the customer doesn't want it they should have options

My question is, where are the price breaks for consumers who install these meters? The utility company is saving a fortune in cost, why do they never pass it on to the consumer?

No, the EXTRA costs are paid by the consumer
http://www.chron.com/business/steffy...rs-2277478.php

They have benefits,but they ain't free

it is not just Texans rebelling
http://www.technologyreview.com/news...e-smart-meter/

Personally I see value in them, plus all those thousands of unemployed meter readers are just a minor annyance

your stimulus dollars at work

[Bang]

Progress is never painless.

~Bang

[Burgold]

Fair enough. Kindly show me the code section that allows for people to be arrested for "looking foreign."

As to the actual story here, this MAY be a good thing. And it may be effective in helping power companies monitor the grid and respond accordingly. But yes, my trust HAS been eroded when it comes to information about me and my household. And with good reason, NSA.

I'll even use an article from FOX...



After opponents of the statute told her that it will lead to racial profiling and prolonged detentions of Latinos, a judge is mulling arguments over whether she’ll let the most contentious section of Arizona’s immigration enforcement law take effect.

The law’s opponents are trying to thwart a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that will let police enforce a requirement that officers, while enforcing other laws, question the immigration status of those they suspect are in the country illegally.

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- Karen Tumlin, an attorney for the coalition, said outside of court


The coalition of opponents is seeking to shelve the requirement on other grounds, including an allegation that lawmakers had discriminatory intent against Latinos when they passed the law. The coalition’s lawyer has cited a 2007 email sent from the legislative email account of then-Sen. Russell Pearce, the law’s top advocate, to Pearce’s personal email account that said illegal immigration of Spanish-speakers puts the country’s status as an English-speaking nation at risk.


Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/pol...#ixzz24fUouUWK

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It's not entirely clear cut because they constitutionally they new it had to be counched in more subtle terms, but looking at what they are trying to do pragmatically, if you have an immigration law which empowers police to stop anyone without probable cause and demand identification... who are the people likliest to be picked on?

[Jumbo]

They could have just left off the words "electric meters."

[twa]

Progress is never painless.

~Bang

Neither is fire
http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=1280

[mjah]

I'll even use an article from FOX...

[honorary_hog fires up the van and plugs "1700 W. Washington St., Phoenix, Arizona" into the GPS]

[Teller]

[honorary_hog fires up the van and plugs "1700 W. Washington St., Phoenix, Arizona" into the GPS]

Actually, I was about to thank him for showing me that my assumption was correct. You can't be arrested for "looking foreign."

It was misrepresented. Pure and simple.

[KAOSkins]

If you look like your citizenship is questionable you can get stopped, have your papers examined and go to jail. It's pretty straight forward. Maybe the mildly inflammatory words, "looking foreign" are unpleasant, but they're not inaccurate. They wouldn't stop you in AZ, Hog, or me and ask for our papers (at least for the way we look) so you have a clear road ahead.

[Teller]

If you look like your citizenship is questionable you can get stopped, have your papers examined and go to jail. It's pretty straight forward. Maybe the mildly inflammatory words, "looking foreign" are unpleasant, but they're not inaccurate. They wouldn't stop you in AZ, Hog or me, and ask for your papers (at least for the way we look) so you have a clear road ahead.

Well, I don't intend to give an officer the opportunity to ask about my status, "while enforcing other laws."

[Jumbo]

Stay on topic.

[Bang]

Neither is fire
http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?page_id=1280

I know this may come as a shock, but....

Faulty electrical equipment causes a hell of a lot of fires, every day, everywhere.
You ready to give up electric light? how about your TV? outllets and overloaded plugs cause more housefires than anything.
(Other causes,, grease fires and smoking. No more bacon and cigarettes for you!)

Improperly installed anything will cause a problem, and with electricity, the result of any faulty equipment, be it one meter out of ten thousand or one flourescent light out of 50,000.. it's possibly going to cause a fire or an explosion.

don't be such a wussy.
even that fire you cook your mammoth on can cause a fire if you bring it in the cave.

~Bang