TToI:‘"Sparks fly"’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

[FanboyOf91]

The US and Israel can do more damage through cyber attacks then Air Strikes. The way the Iranians have their nuclear facilities set up bunker buster would only do a certain amount of damage. However, Israel is not the only country in the middle east that is threaten by a nuclear Iran the Saudis are as well because the majority of the Saudis are Sunnies and they tend to not get only ****es. The other problem is that the Iranian would become the regional hegemon if they were able to produce nuclear weapons and they would flex its new found power in the region.

Yeah, Saudi Arabia would have to start their own program to avoid getting strategically outflanked.

[Koolblue13]

Yeah, Saudi Arabia would have to start their own program to avoid getting strategically outflanked.

Or SA could just control all the oil and have a body guard like us to do the dirty work.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

How are you blaming neoconservatives if the CiC is a Dem?

It's not insanity IMO, it's murder.

Obama is the one trying NOT to get into a suicidal war with Iran, Romney would drive the bus into that wall at 60 miles per hour.

[visionary]

It's not insanity IMO, it's murder.

Well yes, but so are drone strikes on random civilians across multiple countries, but there isn't much debate or complaint in the US about those.
Thinking of invading and occupying a place like Iran is a few hundred levels past murder.
Then again, I haven't actually heard anyone suggest doing that.

[Gibbsisgod2006]

Or SA could just control all the oil and have a body guard like us to do the dirty work.

At that point they probably would want to produce there own nuclear weapons.

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Obama is the one trying NOT to get into a suicidal war with Iran, Romney would drive the bus into that wall at 60 miles per hour.

It wouldn't be a war just a joint air strike plus this is all talk right now. If we were to strike Iran with Isreal we would face the threat of being attacked through a proxy. The cyber attacks are doing just as much damage as a bunker buster is doing.[COLOR="Gold"]

[Koolblue13]

Well yes, but so are drone strikes on random civilians across multiple countries, but there isn't much debate or complaint in the US about those.
Thinking of invading and occupying a place like Iran is a few hundred levels past murder.
Then again, I haven't actually heard anyone suggest doing that.

Yes, that is murder also. If you call the CiC a murderer, people get outraged.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Sigh, the ****ing drones. The fact is, as much as I hate that Obama is doing it, to stop it would require several politically impossible changes in the nature of the American state itself (and really, let's be frank, capitalism itself) Nobody within the Overton Window will accept a total withdrawal of all military assets from the Middle East. No remotely relevant politician would say no to US military and political intervention abroad. It has been the cornerstone of our foreign policy since the end of WWII, and every president - EVERY president since 1944, has committed war crimes. The last non-war criminal president we've had was Herbert ****ing Hoover. Even Jimmy Carter - Jimmy ****ing Carter! - committed war crimes. War crimes that would be capital offenses under Nuremberg. America is an imperial state, that's the way it is, and it will be until America collapses in some way or is overthrown.

[SnyderShrugged]

LOL at folks who believe that Democrat and Republican foreign policy is different (or successful!)

[Koolblue13]

LOL at folks who believe that Democrat and Republican foreign policy is different (or successful!)

Agreed.

I'm sure we are going to do something extremely different after the election.

I am very hopeful that Obama will continue to draw down troops, not back anybody in the ME, move away from religion and oil fueled foreign policy, etc.

I was hopeful last election too.

[SnyderShrugged]

Agreed.

I'm sure we are going to do something extremely different after the election.

I am very hopeful that Obama will continue to draw down troops, not back anybody in the ME, move away from religion and oil fueled foreign policy, etc.

I was hopeful last election too.

Of all the limited hopes I had for him, this was the main disappointment to me.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Agreed.

I'm sure we are going to do something extremely different after the election.

I am very hopeful that Obama will continue to draw down troops, not back anybody in the ME, move away from religion and oil fueled foreign policy, etc.

I was hopeful last election too.

Nobody electable in the next 20-30 years is going to significantly draw down our presence overseas. It is NOT happening.

[SnyderShrugged]

Nobody electable in the next 20-30 years is going to significantly draw down our presence overseas. It is NOT happening.

And if our Pols take that outlook, you would be correct. Luckily, there are a few thinking politicians still left that realize the frail nature of your opinion (very few).

[Gibbsisgod2006]

Agreed.

I'm sure we are going to do something extremely different after the election.

I am very hopeful that Obama will continue to draw down troops, not back anybody in the ME, move away from religion and oil fueled foreign policy, etc.

I was hopeful last election too.

Troops will draw down in Afghanistan but we will always back the Saudis and Israel in the Middle East.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

I should have said *willingly*.

Events might force a draw down, like another economic collapse, or a revolution, but barring that, nobody's going to do it. Too much money and power involved.

[twa]

Yeah, Saudi Arabia would have to start their own program to avoid getting strategically outflanked.

Why?...it is rumored they already purchased the targeting rights to several from Pakistan and negotiating out right purchase of some w/missiles from another

money does more than move mountains,and for each action there is a reaction.