The Knee Jerk (and just PO'd) Thread (MET)

[Bang]

Sitting on the couch I told my wife that all Cam has to do is look and see who Josh Wilson is covering and throw to him. Literally the next play was the td to Smith (which was his first of the season)..Every big pass play Wilson was involved..I can't believe the coaches can't see that and bury him on the bench..
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Yea. I agree... we should start Invisibleman McNobody.
I thinkhe's who's left on the bench.


So when we note the Steve Smith play, we'll also note that Wilson has him blanketed. he's as close to him without interfering as can be.
But he's the only one there.
No safety.. no one over the top.

Which means the safeties are elsewhere double covering someone else. (we assume.. it is Reed Doughty.. and as we all know his idea of coverage is to be in the same zip code as the offense, and Madieu Williams, who's ide a of double coverage seems to be the chocolate cookie surrounding an Oreo. (The linebackers... They couldn't cover a corpse with a sheet.)

And when a QB sees that, he'll always go to the single coverage, which always favors the offense if the ball is catchable, especially given the rules and predelection to throw PI flags.

The entire defense is either
A/ terrible at coverage, or
B/ completely out of position to properly cover anyone.

Considering we've seen good coverage out of Wilson before, and the fact that 90% of all CBs who have ever played will not survive on an island all day long, it would seem to be a combination of
A/ an incompetent defensive scheme
B/ incompetent defenders necessitating a scheme that won't work. (and i'm looking directly t those safeties.They're RARELY where they need to be to make any play at all. And I'm looking at the linebackers, who give up EVERY underneath pass that is thrown. The only reason a ball drops is if the rceiver drops it or the QB makes a bad throw.. youre not seeing passes being defended.)



~Bang

[Skinz4Life12]

wilson is the king of face guarding. he literally never turns around and every big play against us, Wilson is involved.

Deangelo can suck terribly at covering, but at least he turns his head around

[Bang]

wilson is the king of face guarding. he literally never turns around and every big play against us, Wilson is involved.

Deangelo can suck terribly at covering, but at least he turns his head around

Well, not to defend Wilson, who is clearly having a bad year,, but often there's no safety over there to help so he can take his eyes off his man and look for the ball.

Wilson has to be close to faceguard, and when he's by himself in single coverage, his primary responsibility is to be with his man.
Now, it was a LONG time ago that i was taught to play CB, so it may be different techniques now, but you glue your eyes on the man's belt buckle (You can't juke with your belt buckle. where it goes, you go.)
After you make your turn and are running with him, again, you keep your eyes lower on his body so he cant eye fake you and you can see his hands. (it's hard to run with your hands up in a receiving position.. it slows you down.. so you can key on them as to when to raise your hands.)
When you're running with him (typically on a fly type pattern) and he's running straight, you keep your eyes glued to his chest and try to stay snug in tight to him so the QB has at least an obstructed view of his man, and he can't make a fake and leave you there).
You only look at the \QB if you have help, or if you are turned by the pattern into the QB to see him. If he cuts over the middle or turns out,, you can take a peek at the backfield.
But if youre running straight and you take your eye off to look back, you're beaten right then and there.

~Bang

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Like I said the the prediction thread, I think the Steelers game unhinged the team, and they spiral into oblivion for the rest of the season. Again.

Ugh, same thing happened in 2008

[Larry Brown #43]

The thing I keep coming back to this season is this: With the way our offense has performed for much of the season, if we merely had a mediocre defense this year, we'd be pretty tough to beat. When Shanny took over the team, our defense was the one aspect of the team that wasn't utterly broken. Yet he completely overhauled our defensive system and personnel, and now in year 3 of the program, we've got arguably the worst defense in the league.

I can't help but wonder where we'd be this year with our current offense, combined with Year 6 of the Blache defense. And I was pretty lukewarm on Blache...but boy would his '08/'09 defense look good right now. Did Blache want to keep coaching after the '09 season? I have no idea if he chose to retire on his own, or if the move to the 3-4 just pushed him right out the door. But RGIII combined with our old 4-3 would make for some interesting football this year.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

Yea. I agree... we should start Invisibleman McNobody.
I thinkhe's who's left on the bench.


So when we note the Steve Smith play, we'll also note that Wilson has him blanketed. he's as close to him without interfering as can be.
But he's the only one there.
No safety.. no one over the top.

Which means the safeties are elsewhere double covering someone else. (we assume.. it is Reed Doughty.. and as we all know his idea of coverage is to be in the same zip code as the offense, and Madieu Williams, who's ide a of double coverage seems to be the chocolate cookie surrounding an Oreo. (The linebackers... They couldn't cover a corpse with a sheet.)

And when a QB sees that, he'll always go to the single coverage, which always favors the offense if the ball is catchable, especially given the rules and predelection to throw PI flags.

The entire defense is either
A/ terrible at coverage, or
B/ completely out of position to properly cover anyone.

Considering we've seen good coverage out of Wilson before, and the fact that 90% of all CBs who have ever played will not survive on an island all day long, it would seem to be a combination of
A/ an incompetent defensive scheme
B/ incompetent defenders necessitating a scheme that won't work. (and i'm looking directly t those safeties.They're RARELY where they need to be to make any play at all. And I'm looking at the linebackers, who give up EVERY underneath pass that is thrown. The only reason a ball drops is if the rceiver drops it or the QB makes a bad throw.. youre not seeing passes being defended.)



~Bang

Wilson being in position means nothing if he just stands there and let 5'11 Smith jump and catch the ball. He didn't even turn to look or know it was coming. I'm not disputing what you said about our secondary play but any CB worth being on the field doesn't need Safety help to break up that pass being in the position Wilson was in imo.

[Skinz4Life12]

not to mention, face guarding draws the PI penalty more often than not. Wilson seems to get flagged often for that and face guarding doesn't help his cause

[Bang]

Wilson being in position means nothing if he just stands there and let 5'11 Smith jump and catch the ball. He didn't even turn to look or know it was coming. I'm not disputing what you said about our secondary play but any CB worth being on the field doesn't need Safety help to break up that pass being in the position Wilson was in imo.

So, what you thinkis he should interfere, or take his eyes off the man.

those are the two options in one on one coverage on the fly.

(FTR,, if you take your eyes off the man, your chance of a PI rises exponentially, especilly when the field is fast condensing.
If Smith stops and Wislon runs into him, PI, first and goal at the one, and the complaint about Wislon goes from "why doesn't he cover better" to "why did he interfere".

As simple as it can be,, there are exactly TWO downfield receiving threats on the panther offense and one of them didn't play. (LaFell)

So, with that known, and knowing that pro bowl caliber receiver Steve Smith is the ONLY downfield threat, there is absolutely NO reason Wislon should be on that island when Smith heads for the end zone.
No safety help, none.
Now whether tha is by scheme or because our safeties are terrible football players, your guess is as good as mine.
But the factis, leaving Wilson out there one on one in that situation when there is no other WR to speak of on the field is simply stupidity on the defense.
(Now, it may be that Doughty was supposed to be over the top, but is maybe just now getting there. That idiot never once met a bad angle he couldn't take, and never once has he ever shown the speed to ever play his position at this level. It's very possible the help was supposed to be there and simply wasn't.)

~Bang

---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 05:54 PM ----------

not to mention, face guarding draws the PI penalty more often than not. Wilson seems to get flagged often for that and face guarding doesn't help his cause

He could leave his hands down, i guess.

leave him on an island, and expect passes to come his way. Leave him alone, and he's limited in his options.

he's not Deion Sanders. And his safeties don't even belong in the NFL.

~Bang

[Jumbo]

Bump for the glandularaly primed

[SpringfieldSkins]

OK, here's my knee jerk reaction... or just random banter.

To the guys and gals in the GDT today complaining about our play calling, please stop it. It started with the botched option play call in the first quarter and didn't stop until we were 25 points ahead of them. We were never behind at all during the game and won handily but you wouldn't be able to tell that if you read through the GDT. It makes it painful to read through the thread when your team is up by over one score and you still read nothing but complaints about how this coach and that coach need to be fired. This week, the mob had it's sights set on Kyle Shanahan. Haslett was spared of the fury because the defense played fairly well against a rookie QB with a returning Meriweather (who appears to be a huge difference maker on defense BTW). But Kyle, oh boy was he screwing things up this week. He needs to be fired apparently. Exactly 0 of the Redskins TD's are due to his brilliance at calling offensive plays. Exactly 4 of the Redskins TD's are due to Robert Griffin III's brilliance and dynamic at the QB position. That's the impression that is put off by the mob mentality in the GDT.

Look. Kyle will make mistakes. RG3 will make mistakes. The OL, RB's and receivers will also make mistakes. It's a team game. Don't look to complain at every miscue, especially when we are winning. It takes the air out of a game that was won with ease. It's not enjoyable to wade through post after post of how this player and that coach need to be given the boot on the bus ride home while the team is winning a game.

Just enjoy the game.

[SpringfieldSkins]

wait a minute Springfield...that wasn't knee jerk at all!

I had to say it somewhere and the GDT wasn't the place and I didn't want to make a thread out of it. It's just that reading some of the posts in te GDT today was... trying.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

wait a minute Springfield...that wasn't knee jerk at all!

[SpringfieldSkins]

wait a minute Springfield...that wasn't knee jerk at all!

I had to say it somewhere and the GDT wasn't the place and I didn't want to make a thread out of it. It's just that reading some of the posts in te GDT today was... trying.

[SpringfieldSkins]

Haslet went after a rookie QB! And he ditched the ineffective delay LB blitz. Adjusted to the screen.

We didnt overwork Morris to the point he got gassed.

By far our best coached game in a long time.

And yet, until late in the 3rd quarter an outside observer would have thought that it was a terribly coached game by reading through the GDT.

[RandyHolt]

Haslet went after a rookie QB! And he ditched the ineffective delay LB blitz. Adjusted to the screen.

We didnt overwork Morris to the point he got gassed.

By far our best coached game in a long time.