SP: Reactionary Observations to the Loss to St. Louis - Week 2

[Momma There Goes That Man]

was jackson in? i may have missed another replay, but they one they kept showing had him fighting and the stretching the ball over and at that point they kept highlighting the ball. but at that point he also looked like he was no longer on top of bodies and it looked like his knee may have been down, though i think the view was obscured by players.

point is, i didnt think there was an angle that concluded one way or another.

funny thing is, jackson gets benched after losing his cool, exactly the same way that morgan did, which may gave ironically cost the skins the game.

It looked like he was in but actually it shouldn't have mattered. They shouldn't have had a 3rd and Goal from the 1 if they had been properly penalized the previous play for the illegal challenge. I understand Fisher didn't think they were going to review but he is a pro, he can talk to them about it. Doesn't give him the right to break the rule and not get penalized.

[dposton]

Bad defensive strategy; Aldrick Robinson has to catch that bomb; Another blocked punt? Is it Danny Smith or he player? Okay let's look at it like this: Last week it was supposedly Nick Sundberg's fault for missing a block. Well Nick Sundberg and his broken arm aren't there. If the block came from the same position, we can surmise that it is the scheme that is the problem which makes it Danny Smith's fault. If it was another position, then we need to evaluate and/or Danny Smith needs to choose better blockers for the punting unit. Whichever way you look at it Jim Haslett/Raheem Morris and Danny Smith had bad days. To think, just when Kyle Shanahan is beginning to look like a top notch offensive coordinator, our defense and special teams start to break down.

[greenspandan]

Cortland Finnegan
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I don't wish for injuries on players but...

can't quite tell whether he's punching that guy in the back of the head or the shoulder, but either way it's incredibly stupid. you punch a guy in the back of the skull, you get a broken hand. punching a guy who is wearing football pads in the shoulder is similarly hilarious. and of course that's all additional stupidity on top of the fact that punching a guy in front of refs during an NFL game is already moronic.

[bentskin]

I think you're referring to the play where it was a giant Heathcliff pile up and you couldn't see anything. There was a play when he was in and they showed an angle of him.
I can't remember if it was the same play or not, but I remember thinking at the time, the Rams should've had a TD.

3 things here: 1. This play (Davis stretching the ball across the goal line) should have been reviewed and I believe it would have been ruled a touchdown. 2. The review officials are the regular ones, they are not replacement. 3. The 15 yard penalty ended up working out. Fisher should have been penalized for throwing the challenge flag but they got the penalty 1 play later on Davis. A wash.

OH MAN! I yelled at the TV screen when that happened. He turned left and headed for the sideline. Had he turned around he would've seen no one in front of him. lol or he could've ran backwards 3 steps to the 1st down.

I thought the same thing, Probably could have had the first down if he turns up field to his right. But, in his defense, I think he sees the safety out of the corner of his eye. There is not a defense for throwing the ball at Finnegan.

I thought the replacement officials would do an OK job on average, maybe missing an occasional holding or PI call but this game was ridiculous. The hit on Davis (shot to the head / defenseless or not) should have been called. And for their answer to be that none of them saw it? What were they watching? The Dallas game? And while the second guy does get caught most of the time in the unsportsmanlike penalties I think the regular refs may have talked it over and called offsetting penalties (considering the game as a whole, the emotion of the moment and effect of the penalty on the game) allowing the play to stand and the game to move on.

HTTR

PS

Despite all of this, The defense (read our coordinators game plan) is the reason we lost this game. 31 points and a hall of fame performance by Danny Amendola is ridiculous.

[Pick6]

Bad defensive strategy; Aldrick Robinson has to catch that bomb; Another blocked punt? Is it Danny Smith or he player? Okay let's look at it like this: Last week it was supposedly Nick Sundberg's fault for missing a block. Well Nick Sundberg and his broken arm aren't there. If the block came from the same position, we can surmise that it is the scheme that is the problem which makes it Danny Smith's fault. If it was another position, then we need to evaluate and/or Danny Smith needs to choose better blockers for the punting unit. Whichever way you look at it Jim Haslett/Raheem Morris and Danny Smith had bad days. To think, just when Kyle Shanahan is beginning to look like a top notch offensive coordinator, our defense and special teams start to break down.

On the blocked punt it was not the long snapper who missed his assignment. I think it was Perry Riley who get pushed out of the way this week. This is all on Danny Smith and the players on special team. Plus, it looks like Rocca takes a couple seconds too long to punt.

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can't quite tell whether he's punching that guy in the back of the head or the shoulder, but either way it's incredibly stupid. you punch a guy in the back of the skull, you get a broken hand. punching a guy who is wearing football pads in the shoulder is similarly hilarious. and of course that's all additional stupidity on top of the fact that punching a guy in front of refs during an NFL game is already moronic.

That was Andre Johnson throwing the punches I believe. Finnegan starts the whole thing by ripping off Johnson's helmet.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

My observations were as follows:
1. Niles Paul has done very little in 2 games. He plays tentative and is really not progressing yet. New position, but our TE group is not getting it done.
2. Coaching staff needs to reconsider the Brandon Banks experiment. He does not run north and south and fumbles alot. (some inbounds and some out). He is not existant in the passing game and I still think his roster spot could be best used elsewhere.
3. Trent Williams needs to start playing like a top 5 pick. His footwork and hand placement is not good and he gets beat...a lot.
4. D Hall loves to talk trash, but still whiffs on tackles.
5. Danny Smiths group is a mess. Penalties, mistakes...non disaplined.
6. RG3 is a stud and single handedly almost won the game. He plays hard every play and makes things happen.

Offense (thanks to RG3) is ahead of the defense. Only game two, but lets see how this team reacts to adversity.....

[Skinz4Life12]

just when it seems our offense is getting on track, our defense wants to fall to **** and give up 30+ points a game

[RedskinParadigm]

My observations were as follows:
1. Niles Paul has done very little in 2 games. He plays tentative and is really not progressing yet. New position, but our TE group is not getting it done.

It's worth noting that Niles Paul was stellar in his blocking assignments against New Orleans. I haven't had time to review the film from STL, but my guess is that he was just as good there, based on Morris' success on the ground (same with Trent Williams, who Morris almost exclusively ran behind to start the game). The TE group isn't failing, IMO; it's simply not as big of a part of the passing game because (1) we aren't passing as much last season, and (2) we have a very deep group of receivers that are all getting involved in the gameplan. Just my .02.

[No_Pressure]

I have one observation from yesterday, anyone with that new video package can confirm this for me:

When Josh Morgan got his 15 yard penalty there was a Rams player on the TV broadcast staring down our sideline and pointing to his helmet as if he was saying something about getting into their head, how they should use their heads, or calling them stupid players. He did this directly in front of the referees who were discussing the penalty, and one ref even came over and pushed the player away from the Redskins sideline.

The last time I checked the penalty for taunting another team's bench is an automatic 15 yard personal foul which would have off-set the Josh Morgan penalty. This isn't imagined either, it happened and it happened in front of the refs who merely pushed the player away and didn't penalize him like they were supposed to. I really hate that whole "the person to retaliate gets in trouble" bull**** prevails in most places. Unless the refs were literally blind yesterday they could have seen all the dirty extra **** the Rams were doing every other play, so one guy loses his cool and that's 15 yards, but they don't do anything to stop the guys who are doing illegal things which have cumulatively made the team lose their cool. If any Bengals players get a 15 yard personal foul penalty next week I would love to see the reaction if Perry Riley stands next to the referees and taunts the Cincy sideline while they're discussing the penalty.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

can't quite tell whether he's punching that guy in the back of the head or the shoulder, but either way it's incredibly stupid. you punch a guy in the back of the skull, you get a broken hand. punching a guy who is wearing football pads in the shoulder is similarly hilarious. and of course that's all additional stupidity on top of the fact that punching a guy in front of refs during an NFL game is already moronic.

Andre Johnson is a standup guy by all accounts. The point is that Finnegan got under his skin too and caused him to start throwing punches with his BS cheap and dirty behavior all game. But some on this board would simply rather call Johnson a "thug". (not saying you)

[goskinsgo2007]

I looked at that Morgan play again and a noticed couple things. When Morgan catches the ball, he is stopped with his back to the defense. After he catches the ball he turns left presumably to try and get out of bounds. Since he had stopped, turning right would not necessarily have been a first down IMHO.

Once tackled, it is clear that the defender hits Morgan in the face first and we all know the rest. However, what I don't get is the fact that the ref is literally standing 5 feet away looking right at the play and sees the whole thing from start to finish. Why not offsetting penalties?

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

I have one observation from yesterday, anyone with that new video package can confirm this for me:

When Josh Morgan got his 15 yard penalty there was a Rams player on the TV broadcast staring down our sideline and pointing to his helmet as if he was saying something about getting into their head, how they should use their heads, or calling them stupid players. He did this directly in front of the referees who were discussing the penalty, and one ref even came over and pushed the player away from the Redskins sideline.

The last time I checked the penalty for taunting another team's bench is an automatic 15 yard personal foul which would have off-set the Josh Morgan penalty. This isn't imagined either, it happened and it happened in front of the refs who merely pushed the player away and didn't penalize him like they were supposed to. I really hate that whole "the person to retaliate gets in trouble" bull**** prevails in most places. Unless the refs were literally blind yesterday they could have seen all the dirty extra **** the Rams were doing every other play, so one guy loses his cool and that's 15 yards, but they don't do anything to stop the guys who are doing illegal things which have cumulatively made the team lose their cool. If any Bengals players get a 15 yard personal foul penalty next week I would love to see the reaction if Perry Riley stands next to the referees and taunts the Cincy sideline while they're discussing the penalty.

Yes, it was Chris Long and he was rubbing it in right in front of the officials......by that point the refs had given up on trying to control this game

[pjfootballer]

2. Coaching staff needs to reconsider the Brandon Banks experiment. He does not run north and south and fumbles alot. (some inbounds and some out). He is not existant in the passing game and I still think his roster spot could be best used elsewhere.

Bring in another LBer who can play special teams and block. I'm done with the Banks experiement.

[mojo]

My observations were as follows:
1. Niles Paul has done very little in 2 games. He plays tentative and is really not progressing yet. New position, but our TE group is not getting it done.
2. Coaching staff needs to reconsider the Brandon Banks experiment. He does not run north and south and fumbles alot. (some inbounds and some out). He is not existant in the passing game and I still think his roster spot could be best used elsewhere.
3. Trent Williams needs to start playing like a top 5 pick. His footwork and hand placement is not good and he gets beat...a lot.
4. D Hall loves to talk trash, but still whiffs on tackles.
5. Danny Smiths group is a mess. Penalties, mistakes...non disaplined.
6. RG3 is a stud and single handedly almost won the game. He plays hard every play and makes things happen.

Offense (thanks to RG3) is ahead of the defense. Only game two, but lets see how this team reacts to adversity.....

I agree with everything here. We're really lucky to have RG3. Without him, this season is another dumpster fire.

[Zazzaro703]

That Griffin interception wasn't a game changing play in my opinion. It was in the first half and basically gave them 3pts but the refs robbed the Rams of 6 points with that Steven Jackson call. So the points cancel out. Griff was under pressure all day and made a mistake that all QBs make. Now the Aldrick Robinson drop was extremely costly. It's a play that could've broken the Rams spirits! You just can't drop that pass at the NFL level! I hate to say it .. But Anthony Armstrong catches that bomb!

Sorry but the Refs didn't rob them of anything with Jackson. The fumble on play before Fisher threw the challenge flag on an unchallengeable play which should have been 15 yards. Not only was there no flag, fisher was awarded the challenge and won.