Does Rob Jackson make Orakpo expendable?

[authentic]

As good as I think Rob Jackson is for us (and he actually is quite good), I don't think his sample size in game is large enough for us to make this leap. He had a few outstanding plays for us, I agree. But to say he's better than Rak at this point is a bit premature. Rak does a lot more than people realize he does

I hope my post didn't come across as implying that. If it did, my bad. but no, i don't think that Jackson is a better player than Rak. But, from a bang-for-your-buck perspective, is it out of the realm of possibility that we explore our options with Rak if Jackson is able to make an impact as a starter for a full 13 games this season.

[MWCREDSKINS]

No. Don't get ahead of yourself. Rob is a solid backup but when on Rak is a much better player. People forget how much Rak has been getting held. I like Rob Jackson and Chris WIlson as backups but much rather have Rak

[Laxpunk2006]

After Rak's rookie season, which he had 11 sacks, most of us thought that he was on his way to being a star pass rusher, in the mode of Demarcus Ware and Terrell Suggs. Unfortunately, it appears that he has regressed since then, mostly due to having a small repertoire of moves, which he has claimed to have finally worked on this past offseason. But to be fair to him, who knows how his offseason work would have manifested on the field over the course of this season.

First three seasons:

Demarcus Ware: 33.5 sacks
Terrell Suggs: 30.5
Brian Orakpo: 28.5

I'd say he's already in that class.

For further reference:

Jared Allen: 27.5
Clay Matthews: 29.5
Lamar Woodley: 29

Orakpo is doing just fine. Fans just seem to have unrealistic expectations of what an elite pass rusher is.

[authentic]

I completely agree. He looks promising though. Hate to say it, but converting 'Rak to a 3-4 OLB is looking similar to Andre Carter.

Perhaps Rak may be better served as a 43 DE, but i don't think he's as bad as Carter in the transition. AC was literally like a fish out of water... true definition of the (square peg / round hole) theory..

[Kostaskins]

I say keep them both. I love rack and love Ron especially since some of my friends went to school with him in Stratford, ct. And friend was his teacher lol but hey having depth at this position is key. Rob had 1 good game guy take it easy. Let's see him get some sacks now.

And rack I wanna see how he does after surgery... I do believe he had surgery last year on the same issue so it will be interesting to see how he handles it both himsel and his body.

[acuratl1984]

Really? A 7th rounder who just had one good game and we want to replace Rak?
I think Jackson has more penalties then he does sacks.

Is he good depth? yes....
possible starter? (We'll have to see more)
Replace Rak? NO!


Also to add on to the info on Rak's first 3 years

Brian Orakpo: 28.5

Year 1 - 4-3 with Carter (11 Sacks)
Year 2 - 3-4 New system, and with Carter (who did not fit the system) (8.5 sacks)
Year 3 - 3-4 without an Off Season (9 sacks)
Year 4 - 3-4 Played 2 games, but really he only played like 3 Quarters? = 1 Sack

[superozman]

Ugh. Another damn case of "OMG the back up played good, screw the proven player". My goodness, Rob Jackson has a solid game, and your willing to try and talk about getting rid of a player who has one good game.

Also "Pedestrian" 2011? When is 9 sacks and 3 forced fumbles "Pedestrian"?

And if Kerrigan only has 9 sacks and 3 forced fumbles this year, will you create a thread about getting rid of him for an unproven player.

Sorry to pick on you, just frustrated everyone wants to get rid of young, proven, talent, for young unproven talent.

[KingGibbs]

Lax. Those stats are nice, but there is more to it then just sacks. There's QB pressures, QB hits, run defense, dropping in covereage. I've never been a stat guy.

[authentic]

First three seasons:

Demarcus Ware: 33.5 sacks
Terrell Suggs: 30.5
Brian Orakpo: 28.5

I'd say he's already in that class.

For further reference:

Jared Allen: 27.5
Clay Matthews: 29.5
Lamar Woodley: 29

Orakpo is doing just fine. Fans just seem to have unrealistic expectations of what an elite pass rusher is.

I think this needs context.. because the numbers suggest that he's top-tier. But i think the difference is in determining "when" in the game those plays are made. How many times can we recall where Rak has made a game changing or game ending sack or FF? Not saying that he doesn't possess the talent or the work ethic to become that. But the players above, IMO, are in another class.

[KingGibbs]

Perhaps Rak may be better served as a 43 DE, but i don't think he's as bad as Carter in the transition. AC was literally like a fish out of water... true definition of the (square peg / round hole) theory..

Yeah he was. I should've been more clear. "rak is better suited as a 4-3 end IMO. Which Carter was also.

[authentic]

Really? A 7th rounder who just had one good game and we want to replace Rak?
I think Jackson has more penalties then he does sacks.

Is he good depth? yes....
possible starter? (We'll have to see more)
Replace Rak? NO!

lol... naw man, like i said in the OP. this is something that i've been considering since last season, thru the PS, up until the Cincy game.. its not a 1 game revelation.

[Bang]

Lets see the next 13 games first.

~Bang

[Skinz4Life12]

If we could trade him for an area of real need, such as OT or Defensive Secondary, then I'd at LEAST listen.

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[KingGibbs]

lol... naw man, like i said in the OP. this is something that i've been considering since last season, thru the PS, up until the Cincy game.. its not a 1 game revelation.

Watch out Authentic. Criticism whether it be constructive or not will land you on an ES Most Wanted poster. Trust me. I know.

[ShadesOfSoul]

Has anyone noticed that LaRon Landry is ballin' for the Jets? #RandomThought

Not a bad question and I tend to see how Rak could be expendible. Funny thing, he has CRAZY measurables (Power, Speed) and shows flashes....but has regressed since his rookie year. I would be scared to pay him "top dollar".....but a nice (respectable) contract is probably in order (health being considered).....