Does Rob Jackson make Orakpo expendable?

[Destino]

he had about 1 second to react to that and caught it for a touchdown...

This is embarrasing... regardless of what you think about the argument in the thread... if you guys are in here saying the Jackson touchdown was crap or luck or "should've been Orakpo" then you should be ashamed of yourselves. lol. I can't believe what I am reading on some of these.

I'm not taking anything away from Jackson he made a play simply clarifying what it was that actually happened. The thing is however that the play he made was not stepping in front of a swing pass. He caught a fluttering errant pass caused by Kerrigan hitting Dalton as he tried to release the football. It was a great play from the OLBs that put points on the board.

And spare me the ashamed of yourselves garbage. I haven't trashed Jackson, simply held true to reality, while others have decided that potentially our best player on defense should be traded. It's pretty obvious who should be ashamed of themselves in this thread.

[SIXPHO]

So he literally had no impact on ANY SINGLE GAME yet he routinely leads the team in sacks?

So who on the Redskins impacts games in your opinion besides RGIII I guess?

Cool story, bro. You probably wanted to hold on to Campbell, too. Twist and angle whatever you choose, here's a stat for ya- the backup, almost cut for years, practice squad vet, whatever... has more picks than Orakpo, in one play than the entire career of Orakpo.

Enjoy your day.

[Veckatimeister]

I'm going to go with he was 13th pick in the draft... but has he played like one?

He's played better than the 12th, 11th, 10th, 8th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, and 2nd picks of the 2008 draft, so I'm gonna go with... yeah. Resounding yes. For the record, those players are: Knowshon Moreno, Aaron Maybin, Micheal Crabtree, Eugene Monroe, Darius Heyward-Bey, Andre Smith, Mark Sanchez, Aaron Curry and Jason Smith.

[Hitman21ST]

I'm not taking anything away from Jackson he made a play simply clarifying what it was that actually happened. The thing is however that the play he made was not stepping in front of a swing pass. He caught a fluttering errant pass caused by Kerrigan hitting Dalton as he tried to release the football. It was a great play from the OLBs that put points on the board.

And spare me the ashamed of yourselves garbage. I haven't trashed Jackson, simply held true to reality, while others have decided that potentially our best player on defense should be traded. It's pretty obvious who should be ashamed of themselves in this thread.

I'm with you on this Destino, I just called the pass a swing because that's the closest thing to what it was. I guess I should have said an errant pass. My point still stands though, it wasn't even close to a frozen rope from Brees.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Cool story, bro. You probably wanted to hold on to Campbell, too. Twist and angle whatever you choose, here's a stat for ya- the backup, almost cut for years, practice squad vet, whatever... has more picks than Orakpo, in one play of than Orakpo's career.

Enjoy your day.

still haven't answered my question....


oh and you just compared Brian Orakpo to Jason Campbell...all within your first 9 posts.

Great first impression

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He's played better than the 12th, 11th, 10th, 8th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, and 2nd picks of the 2008 draft, so I'm gonna go with... yeah. Resounding yes. For the record, those players are: Knowshon Moreno, Aaron Maybin, Micheal Crabtree, Eugene Monroe, Darius Heyward-Bey, Andre Smith, Mark Sanchez, Aaron Curry and Jason Smith.

Isn't logic great?

Thanks for that post

[Hitman21ST]

Cool story, bro. You probably wanted to hold on to Campbell, too. Twist and angle whatever you choose, here's a stat for ya- the backup, almost cut for years, practice squad vet, whatever... has more picks than Orakpo, in one play of than Orakpo's career.

Enjoy your day.

Yeah, that one pick makes Jackson a better player. Nevermind that he's had four years to beat out Rak, and the only time he actually does is when Rak is injured.

You talk about "twisting angles" then you give that stat. Pot, meet kettle.

[DC9]

Did you know Rak had more tackles and sacks last year?

Did you know that Kerrigan, a rookie, drew more Double teams than Rak last year? True story... watch the tape.

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Isn't logic great?

Thanks for that post

Logic would be, where is he in terms of feared and effective pass rushers in the league? He's not a top tier player. He's a better than good player. He's not a game changer. That's been established.

And now, he's an often injured better than good player. Rob Jackson is a good player. Who, in one start, has more touchdowns than that Brian Orakpo-who-beat-him-out-for-four-straight-years-and-is-a-beast-and-got-cavemen-out-on-the-field has for his whole career.

It is what it is.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Did you know that Kerrigan, a rookie, drew more Double teams than Rak last year? True story... watch the tape.

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Logic would be, where is he in terms of feared and effective pass rushers in the league? He's not a top tier player. He's a better than good player. He's not a game changer. That's been established.

And now, he's an often injured better than good player. Rob Jackson is a good player. Who, in one start, has more touchdowns than that Brian Orakpo-who-beat-him-out-for-four-straight-years-and-is-a-beast-and-got-cavemen-out-on-the-field has for his whole career.

It is what it is.

I generally respect most of what you post but these two statements are complete ********.

[DC9]

I'm not taking anything away from Jackson he made a play simply clarifying what it was that actually happened. The thing is however that the play he made was not stepping in front of a swing pass. He caught a fluttering errant pass caused by Kerrigan hitting Dalton as he tried to release the football. It was a great play from the OLBs that put points on the board.

And spare me the ashamed of yourselves garbage. I haven't trashed Jackson, simply held true to reality, while others have decided that potentially our best player on defense should be traded. It's pretty obvious who should be ashamed of themselves in this thread.

You're right, you shouldn't be lumped into the other group and that wasn't fair for me to do that... but you should be more excited for Jackson and less ho-hum about Orakpo. That's all I'm trying to get at.

I was about 70 feet above the play when it happened but I don't think he stepped in front... could be wrong. I think he went low and behind the reciever who obviously expected it to hit the ground. But again, I am not sure there and I could be wrong.

[Hitman21ST]

Logic would be, where is he in terms of feared and effective pass rushers in the league? He's not a top tier player. He's a better than good player. He's not a game changer. That's been established.

Just how many true "game-changers" are there at a pass-rushing position? Maybe one or two.

And now, he's an often injured better than good player. Rob Jackson is a good player. Who, in one start, has more touchdowns than that Brian Orakpo-who-beat-him-out-for-four-straight-years-and-is-a-beast-and-got-cavemen-out-on-the-field has for his whole career.

It is what it is.

Are we really throwing out the "more touchdowns" line?

Reed Doughty has more picks than Mark Barron. I guess he's a better safety, huh?

[KingGibbs]

Not only that King, and I love RAK as well but wouldn't the money be a factor considering the penalty and the need of an overhaul in the secondary? I think the bigger questions is the value, a top corner or depth at the LBer spot?

Being handcuffed like we are because of the cap penalty is going to severely limt our ability to upgrade positions via FA which is why finding secondary and OL help are most likely gonna have to come from the draft. I love Jackson's potential, but barring a setback injury wise with 'Rak then I think you let him play out the contract. Now if Jackson becomes a beast in all facets of the position? Then all bets are off.

[DeadExField]

I'd say the Jackson turnover was more of right place right time, glad he didn't drop it.

One thing I think Orakpo and all of our LBs could improve on are INTs, coming down with the football.

Jackson is not going to scare anybody, I don't see teams game planning to put an end to his reign of terror. Honestly, who knows. We'll see how he pans out but I'm not expecting much.

[RedskinParadigm]

The Redskins should not be in any position to let go or trade any valuable pieces in this scheme. If Jackson flourishes in his starting role? Great. Then keep them both and find a way to use both Jackson and Orakpo (and Kerrigan) at the same time. We have one of the best models for creativity with multiple pass rushers in our own division: NYG with Tuck, Osi, JPP, and Kiwi. It should not be that difficult to adapt a portion of their concepts, particularly in passing situations, to this scheme.

Also, I saw someone say that Orakpo is a good, but not great, player for us. Strongly disagree. Orakpo is a tremendous all-around player that does a lot of little things people take for granted. He's a great, but not elite, player for us.

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Also, one thing to point out with Jackson's INT; had Dalton put the throw on the numbers of his intended receiver, Jackson would have been in position to drop him for a safety. It was an excellent all-around read by Jackson.

[CTskins]

That doesn't mean you automatically keep him in your long-term plans. If you let him play out his contract and then let another team sign him, as long as you don't make any big splashes in free agency, you are awarded with compensatory picks based on the size of the contract that he signs. We could get as high as a (late) 3rd rounder for letting him walk, as long as we don't go bananas in free agency that year. That to me is likely more valuable than locking him into top 5 money for the next 5 seasons, especially considering that we need picks in the wake of the RG3 trade.

IMO, if I'm Bruce Allen, I let him walk. Unfortunately, our FO has been making more bad decisions than good ones when it comes to the defense and also might be a little gun-shy depending on how badly the Laron Landry debacle turns out to be.

1st of all, I can't beleieve this thread is still open...But I'll bite anyway...
Where in Authentic's Original Post does it say let B.O play out the contract and get compensatory picks? The OP states, "...Does it make a Orakpo expendable (i.e. explore trade options in the off season)?..."

To answer your question however, if Orakpo plays out his deal, he'll be what 27? 28? I try and sign him for short years until he is age 31 year at the latest. If he doesn't bite then you deal with it. If Orakpo is as overrated as some people here seem to believe, there is no way (read that again) the 'Skins get a late 3rd comp picklet alone a 2nd rounder plus in trade. If he's not that valuable to the Skin's, he's not that valuable to other teams or in terms of draft picks...Someone earlier brought up Seymour. Seymour was dealt at the time to a senile old man who's idea of modern technology is an overhead projector from 1983.

As for the rest, go back and read ALL of my posts on this subject...

[DC9]

Just how many true "game-changers" are there at a pass-rushing position? Maybe one or two.
Are we really throwing out the "more touchdowns" line?
Reed Doughty has more picks than Mark Barron. I guess he's a better safety, huh?

Hitman, I respect what you post too. And I appreciate that above.

Rob Jackson is a good player. Who, in one start, has more touchdowns than that Brian Orakpo-who-beat-him-out-for-four-straight-years-and-is-a-beast-and-got-cavemen-out-on-the-field has for his whole career.

^^^And this little guy... this little guy was just put out there to show you guys (pro-Orakpo is the best types) how foolish you sound... because that's pretty much what you are throwing at every argument we have or every statement we make. So yes, it was intended it be a little facicious.

As far as game changers at pass rusher... you are 100% correct, there aren't but two or three in the league, and Orakpo isn't one of them. Hopefully you'll grant me that much today.
As I've said... Orakpo is a better than good player (B+)... Rob Jackson is a good player (B). Not a huge drop off.

What grade would you give Jackson in his first start? I know Bang said he'll wait 13 more games before deciding, and the jury is definitely still out on him... but I've always liked his motor and his play on the field. He's a good player. Did you notice a huge dropoff on Sunday? From our front 7, I thought we played better. I think that has less to do with Jackson/Orakpo and more to do with the fact that Jenkins was in there instead of Golston, but I didn't notice a drop off.

And of course I think Barron is a better player. He hasn't had the games/snaps that Doughty has... (I've used that one recently with another comparison if I'm not mistaken).