Does Rob Jackson make Orakpo expendable?

[shakinaiken]

Jenkings is just better. The amount of rush he's getting is right on point. LOL Carriker is what he is a very good back up ...But He'll never start over Jenkings again unless Jenkings gets injured.. FACT!!!!!

can't disagree with you more. Jenkins has been a no show- no push in the pocket, and little effect in the run game. to me it's actually, been one the biggest disappointments and it seems to go unnoticed by this board. I realize he's recovering from a knee injury, so ill give him a pass, but he's been startlingly ineffective compared to what I thought he would be.

[CTskins]

That's what the Patriots did with Richard Seymour, and their defense hasn't been the same since.

Meanwhile, the Ravens keep players like Ray Lewis, Haloti Ngata, and Ed Reed and their defense continues to play at a high level.

Just so I understand, That wasn't the Patriots in the Super Bowl last February? FYI...These are two completely different situations. The Patriots were up against it financially (The Skins will have $18Mil of space whe B.O.'s deal expires) and they had other starters' contracts coming due (See: Wilfork, Vince). On top of that, they fleeced an old man in FUBU gear and a wax pencil from the Jack Tatum days.

[sempre_victrix]

What is it with you guys wanting to cut great depth from the team? Even if Riley is becoming a great LB, why would we get rid of Orakpo? This season is the poster child for needing depth.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

geez skins fans make me so mad. Why is there this dislike of Orakpo? Are we as fans not allowed to like orakpo, kerrigan, and jackson?

No You do not trade a pro bowl DE for a draft pick. That is what we call going backwards

Looking back on it, would it have been going backwards to trade Cooley after 2009? Or would that have been a pretty shrewd move? He was a Pro Bowl TE at the time.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Looking back on it, would it have been going backwards to trade Cooley after 2009? Or would that have been a pretty shrewd move? He was a Pro Bowl TE at the time.

Eh...maybe.


1. What would we realistically get in return since he broke his ankle after the Iggles MNF game...

2. We had Fred Davis, who I believe was further along at that point than Rob Jackson is now

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Eh...maybe.


1. What would we realistically get in return since he broke his ankle after the Iggles MNF game...

2. We had Fred Davis, who I believe was further along at that point than Rob Jackson is now

I have no idea about #1 and you could certainly be correct about #2. The point is, we fans don't know what we have in Jackson but the coaches do. Had the organization traded Cooley for a 2nd and a 3rd after 2009, many here would have lost it. The point is, they would have been dead wrong. You have to make these decisions without emotion. If trading someone of value makes you a better overall team, it should be done.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

I have no idea about #1 and you could certainly be correct about #2. The point is, we fans don't know what we have in Jackson but the coaches do. Had the organization traded Cooley for a 2nd and a 3rd after 2009, many here would have lost it. The point is, they would have been dead wrong. You have to make these decisions without emotion. If trading someone of value makes you a better overall team, it should be done.

I agree definitely...

The idea itself isn't crazy...I just think if Rob was the guy, it wouldn't have taken 5 years to figure it out.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I agree definitely...

The idea itself isn't crazy...I just think if Rob was the guy, it wouldn't have taken 5 years to figure it out.

Probably not...though James Harrison wasn't an instant star either. I don't really care and I actually really like Orakpo, so I'm just more defending the concept than this specific scenario.

[Chump Bailey]

I don't think Rob Jackson is anywhere near the athlete Rak is or pass rusher...

And I love Rob Jackson - always have

[CTskins]

I suppose Brady should have never remained the starter since Bledsoe was for longer, too.

I don't know why don't you ask Matt Cassell. You're comparing Apples and Oranges again.

[Bibby]

No. We need all the help we can get. Last I watched our defense, it was pretty bad.

[NoCalMike]

It's been one game. Who knows how much film Cincy actually had to game plan for Rob Jackson. It was a very promising game for Jackson, but it was still only one game.

The good news is that Kerrigan has exceeded expectations. When he was drafted the sentiment was that he would make a great compliment for Orakpo, but so far it looks like Kerrigan is the Monster on the defense and Orakpo, or whoever ultimately ends up on the Weak side long term, will be the compliment for him.

[pjfootballer]

Edit...not that we SHOULD do it, but there are certainly cases out there to illustrate why we COULD do it. The most obvious is James Harrison replacing Joey Porter in 2007. On the surface, cutting Porter (salary cap) for an undrafted guy who barely stayed active during his first couple years in the league was risky. But, it turned out that the coaches knew what they were doing.

I don't know if Jackson is even half the player Orakpo is. I'm not a football coach and don't watch game tape. But, if the coaches are comfortable doing it and strengthening other positions by doing so...I'm on board. That's all.

But Porter was at the end of his career. Orakpo is just starting.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

But Porter was at the end of his career. Orakpo is just starting.

First of all, Porter was 30 when they cut him (and he went on to make the Pro Bowl and lead the AFC in sacks after being released). Secondly, that's not really the point. My point was that teams make these moves all the time with player who, quite frankly, are more accomplished than the ones we bite our nails over losing. Lastly, Porter/Harrison is an example of a team that cut a Pro Bowl player in his prime and gave a nobody an opportunity. What the OP suggested in this thread was getting value back for Orakpo if Jackson is considered a good replacement for him.

[jschuck12001]

Its very possible Orakpo can become expendable but its based on how Jackson plays the rest of the year. Orakpo is a solid player but nothing more than that and we will need to clear space to sign some help in the secondary and we also have to worry about Fred's contract as well. There may be several expendable players by the end of the year if the defense doesnt pick it up.