Does Rob Jackson make Orakpo expendable?

[DC9]

Was I the only one frustrated for Rak that in on just about the first play Jackson was in he gets a pick-6 in place of Rak?[COLOR="Gold"]


What were you "right" about with Landry and Cooley?

Lets go with... Rak had a ball hit him in the numbers vs the Saints... and couldn't secure it. Aren't you a facts man?

[SIXPHO]

explain how being a multi time Pro Bowler with nearly 30 sacks in his first 3 years while being picked 13th overall is underachieving...

29.5 to be exact.

By underachieving I mean he (like mentioned) disappears against divisional opponents, he hasn't ever taken over a game where he's been a "gamebreaker". And the last two seasons has spent, at least what seems to me, like a lot of time "hurt".

As for how many pro bowls, and individual stats... They all sound great, but randomly ask someone who the best LB's are.... I highly doubt he gets mentioned. He started out pretty damn good, and I do like him... But I also "like" any of our players.

[stevemcqueen1]

Because he could have 60

/sarcasm

Oh come on. If a guy isn't getting a sack every series he is underachieving. I do it all the time on my copy of Madden 2007.

[DC9]

Right now, it looks like you weren't right about Landry. I'd wait a little longer before tooting your own horn on that one.

There is also no way in God's green creation Orakpo is only a B+ if Jackson constitutes a B.

Why? The only thing that Orakpo has on Jackson is run stopping ability and that comes with reps.

[Hitman21ST]

Lets go with... Rak had a ball hit him in the numbers vs the Saints... and couldn't secure it. Aren't you a facts man?

A line drive pass from Drew Brees is no where near the same thing as a swing pass from Andy Dalton

[Teller]

If Rak had any moves at all, or was able to hand-fight, he'd be another (albeit injury-prone) DeMarcus Ware. As he is, he's a better-than-average LB, when he's in there.

He frustrates me more than probably anyone else on this team. (I don't expect much from DHall, so he doesn't count.) He's got the potential to be all-world. And yet that potential is never realized.

[DC9]

He has to be joking right?

What has Rob Jackson in about 5 years here besides last week to constitute him being a "B"

You can argue with me on your own. You don't have to try and create an alliance lol.

Last week was his first start was it not?

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

29.5 to be exact.

By underachieving I mean he (like mentioned) disappears against divisional opponents, he hasn't ever taken over a game where he's been a "gamebreaker". And the last two seasons has spent, at least what seems to me, like a lot of time "hurt".

As for how many pro bowls, and individual stats... They all sound great, but randomly ask someone who the best LB's are.... I highly doubt he gets mentioned. He started out pretty damn good, and I do like him... But I also "like" any of our players.

Okay so since he isn't regarded as the best line backer in the game...he has underachieved...after being picked 13th overall. I'm not trying to be an ass, I just really don't get what you want from him.

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You can argue with me on your own. You don't have to try and create an alliance lol.

Last week was his first start was it not?

I couldn't find your post (I just got outta class and I'm tired dammit!) lol

anyways...my biggest thing is that Rob has been on the team for 5 years and has never sniffed being a starter and is always on the bubble come cut time in August.

[DC9]

A line drive pass from Drew Brees is no where near the same thing as a swing pass from Andy Dalton

You make me laugh. "I feel bad because Orakpo should've got that touchdown and here's Rob Jackson who gets the glory."

You know what Hitman? That was a good play. There's no telling whether or not Orakpo would've caught in after doing a back flip and then made the ball spontaneously combust with the best celebration ever, or if he was rushing the passer... or if he was too deep in his drop to come up and pick it... or if he would've played the reciever and hit him and been penalized.

Jackson was in, Jackson caught the ball, Jackson got the touchdown.

That's what we have to work with, and that is a fact. Orakpo was hurt and didn't play. Don't take anything away from Jackson. What kind of crap is that?

[SirClintonPortis]

That's what the Patriots did with Richard Seymour, and their defense hasn't been the same since.

Meanwhile, the Ravens keep players like Ray Lewis, Haloti Ngata, and Ed Reed and their defense continues to play at a high level.

See, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, and Ngata are the Tier 1, some of the best of the best, etc of their position in terms of effectiveness. Orakpo is a step below that. He is currently in the league of the very good or just good.
You don't toss him by the wayside or just let him walk like he's a journeyman player, but he is not a must-sign-to-a-wtfawesome deal like Jason Pierre-Paul will be getting. He has failed to be effective against divisional rivals, for the most part. His moveset is...limited. Now, I am not as high on Wilson or Jackson as ncr2h, so I am not inclined to just toss Orakpo away willy nilly, but until he gets to the next level, I believe that severing ties with Orakpo is a legitmate option to choose, if the circumstances are appropriate to do that.

[SIXPHO]

Okay so since he isn't regarded as the best line backer in the game...he has underachieved...after being picked 13th overall. I'm not trying to be an ass, I just really don't get what you want from him.

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I couldn't find your post (I just got outta class and I'm tired dammit!) lol

anyways...my biggest thing is that Rob has been on the team for 5 years and has never sniffed being a starter and is always on the bubble come cut time in August.

Okay dude, cool- you got a man crush. Got it.

[Hitman21ST]

Why? The only thing that Orakpo has on Jackson is run stopping ability and that comes with reps.

What about 29.5 sacks in four seasons vs. Jackson's...1 (in 5)?

Rak's lowest tackle total in one season was 50. Jackson has 19 in his career.

[Destino]

29.5 to be exact.

By underachieving I mean he (like mentioned) disappears against divisional opponents, he hasn't ever taken over a game where he's been a "gamebreaker". And the last two seasons has spent, at least what seems to me, like a lot of time "hurt".

As for how many pro bowls, and individual stats... They all sound great, but randomly ask someone who the best LB's are.... I highly doubt he gets mentioned. He started out pretty damn good, and I do like him... But I also "like" any of our players.

Everyone in the NFL is hurt much of the time but Orakpo has missed exactly one NFL game prior to this season. No one in this thread has claimed that he's the best linebacker in football, but he's considered one of the better OLB's in football. I think you are dead wrong that random football fans wouldn't identify him as being one of the better LBs in the league. ESPN does so all the time and that's where most "fans" get their opinions. He's not underachieved by any rational measure.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Okay dude, cool- you got a man crush. Got it.

No...I just feel like I'm being logical.

Agree to disagree

[NLC1054]

I think part of the frustration with Brian Orakpo is bought on by the frustration of none of our first round picks over the last few years working out. I think as a fan base we're willing to cut bait with people in a hurry. And then, as is the norm, we tend to gripe when they go somewhere else and succeed and wonder why sometimes they have a bitter taste left in their mouth.

We've been trained for decades that first round picks around these parts never work out, hell, that draft picks in general don't work out. So even when they perform at a better than average level, it's still time to let them go because there's always more talented players right around the bend.s.

I for one think we should do what we've done the last three years with 'Los and now with Davis; let's franchise tag Rak, give him a "prove your an elite" year, and then move accordingly. As much as I like Rob Jackson, I'd like to see him have more than one start before I start declaring that Rak is expendable.