Does Rob Jackson make Orakpo expendable?

[Hitman21ST]

You make me laugh. "I feel bad because Orakpo should've got that touchdown and here's Rob Jackson who gets the glory."

You know what Hitman? That was a good play. There's no telling whether or not Orakpo would've caught in after doing a back flip and then made the ball spontaneously combust with the best celebration ever, or if he was rushing the passer... or if he was too deep in his drop to come up and pick it... or if he would've played the reciever and hit him and been penalized.

Jackson was in, Jackson caught the ball, Jackson got the touchdown.

That's what we have to work with, and that is a fact. Orakpo was hurt and didn't play. Don't take anything away from Jackson. What kind of crap is that?

I never took anything away from Jackson. I just said I felt frustrated that Orakpo didn't have the chance.

[DC9]

I couldn't find your post (I just got outta class and I'm tired dammit!) lol

anyways...my biggest thing is that Rob has been on the team for 5 years and has never sniffed being a starter and is always on the bubble come cut time in August.

No doubt. He was a 7th round pick. We have had PD, Andre Carter, Orakpo, and then Kerrigan the next year. You could argue that he never got a fair shake or you could argue that he's just a gamer. I've always liked him because everytime I've seen him come in he's had a motor that doesn't quit. Back when he spelled Orakpo in the 4-3 and even now. I've always liked him.

Now, I've also said, that he's not a Pro Bowler, but he is more than a quality player who can be a quality starter. Sunday didn't prove me wrong. If he can play and that money for Rak can go elsewhere, well then lets do it. Unless Rak wants a reasonable contract.

[SIXPHO]

See, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, and Ngata are the Tier 1, some of the best of the best, etc of their position in terms of effectiveness. Orakpo is a step below that. He is currently in the league of the very good or just good.
You don't toss him by the wayside or just let him walk like he's a journeyman player, but he is not a must-sign-to-a-wtfawesome deal like Jason Pierre-Paul will be getting. He has failed to be effective against divisional rivals, for the most part. His moveset is...limited. Now, I am not as high on Wilson or Jackson as ncr2h, so I am not inclined to just toss Orakpo away willy nilly, but until he gets to the next level, I believe that severing ties with Orakpo is a legitmate option to choose, if the circumstances are appropriate to do that.

Nail on the head, I'm sure most of the "realistic" fanbase has a close, if not the same mindset as you. Most of the fans around here I know, pretty much have the same thoughts. It wasn't until a few weeks ago that one of my neighbors mentioned how "flat-lined" as he called it, Orakpo had gotten. I kinda started thinking about it and agreed, I expected more of an impact from him. Then, guess what.. He got a season ending injury...

[DC9]

What about 29.5 sacks in four seasons vs. Jackson's...1 (in 5)?

Rak's lowest tackle total in one season was 50. Jackson has 19 in his career.

How about a snap count? How many snaps did Orakpo see vs Jackson? I'm sure that had something to do with it.

[Hitman21ST]

How about a snap count? How many snaps did Orakpo see vs Jackson? I'm sure that had something to do with it.

And why has Orakpo seen so many more snaps than Jackson again?

[stevemcqueen1]

Why? The only thing that Orakpo has on Jackson is run stopping ability and that comes with reps.

I'm not sure what you mean by run stopping ability coming with reps, but I do see that you make claims with little basis in reality. Orakpo is an orders of magnitude better pass rusher and player than Jackson.

[DC9]

I never took anything away from Jackson. I just said I felt frustrated that Orakpo didn't have the chance.

Was I the only one frustrated for Rak that in on just about the first play Jackson was in he gets a pick-6 in place of Rak?

Yeah, I guess it's semantics anyway... it just sounds like you are implying that Jackson didn't deserve the pick and that Orakpo should've got it. I'm just saying Orakpo wasn't there and there is no telling if he would've played the look the same way. It was a great, atheletic play by Jackson.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

No doubt. He was a 7th round pick. We have had PD, Andre Carter, Orakpo, and then Kerrigan the next year. You could argue that he never got a fair shake or you could argue that he's just a gamer. I've always liked him because everytime I've seen him come in he's had a motor that doesn't quit. Back when he spelled Orakpo in the 4-3 and even now. I've always liked him.

Now, I've also said, that he's not a Pro Bowler, but he is more than a quality player who can be a quality starter. Sunday didn't prove me wrong. If he can play and that money for Rak can go elsewhere, well then lets do it. Unless Rak wants a reasonable contract.

I feel like he would have shown something to the coaches that made them HAVE to start him by now...He played well Sunday but he's still a depth guy toa vast majority of the coaches and fanbase

[Destino]

A line drive pass from Drew Brees is no where near the same thing as a swing pass from Andy Dalton

What swing pass? He may have intended to throw a swing pass but he got hit while throwing it by Ryan Kerrigan and it tumbled through the air off target. Rob Jackson didn't jump a route to get that interception.

[SIXPHO]

And why has Orakpo seen so many more snaps than Jackson again?

I suppose Brady should have never remained the starter since Bledsoe was for longer, too.

[DC9]

And why has Orakpo seen so many more snaps than Jackson again?

I'm going to go with he was 13th pick in the draft... but has he played like one?

[Hitman21ST]

Yeah, I guess it's semantics anyway... it just sounds like you are implying that Jackson didn't deserve the pick and that Orakpo should've got it. I'm just saying Orakpo wasn't there and there is no telling if he would've played the look the same way. It was a great, atheletic play by Jackson.

No, not at all. I was just as excited as everyone else that Jackson made the play scored. I was just trying to say it was frustrating (for me) that Rak didn't get the chance.

[stevemcqueen1]

I think part of the frustration with Brian Orakpo is bought on by the frustration of none of our first round picks over the last few years working out. I think as a fan base we're willing to cut bait with people in a hurry. And then, as is the norm, we tend to gripe when they go somewhere else and succeed and wonder why sometimes they have a bitter taste left in their mouth.

We've been trained for decades that first round picks around these parts never work out, hell, that draft picks in general don't work out. So even when they perform at a better than average level, it's still time to let them go because there's always more talented players right around the bend.s.

I for one think we should do what we've done the last three years with 'Los and now with Davis; let's franchise tag Rak, give him a "prove your an elite" year, and then move accordingly. As much as I like Rob Jackson, I'd like to see him have more than one start before I start declaring that Rak is expendable.

Except Orakpo has clearly worked out--spectacularly.

I think this comes from:

1.) We've been losing so people are discontent and want to make changes so they flail around thinking about what could be changed.
2.) People around here don't actually know what constitutes good play at most positions. Frankly, they have absurd expectations and don't watch closely enough.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

I'm going to go with he was 13th pick in the draft... but has he played like one?

you don't think he has played well enough for his draft position?

come on...

[DC9]

What swing pass? He may have intended to throw a swing pass but he got hit while throwing it by Ryan Kerrigan and it tumbled through the air off target. Rob Jackson didn't jump a route to get that interception.

he had about 1 second to react to that and caught it for a touchdown...

This is embarrasing... regardless of what you think about the argument in the thread... if you guys are in here saying the Jackson touchdown was crap or luck or "should've been Orakpo" then you should be ashamed of yourselves. lol. I can't believe what I am reading on some of these.