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    First play of the game and the Bengals come out in a wildcat formation. The defense was directed all week long that if the Bengals show Wildcat it’s a run key so check to cover 0. Players have come out and said they did not prepare at all for a wildcat pass which is mind boggling to me. Sanu was a dangerous dual threat playing at Rutgers and part of playing good defense is knowing the abilities of the offensive personnel you are facing.

    Today I came across these quotes via dcsportsbog from Jay Gruden “We had a pretty good indication that they were gonna be in Cover-0 when we went wildcat with whoever we had back there other than a quarterback, whether it’s a running back or wide receiver”. Gruden also said he put the play in solely for this game “Because Coach Haslett, I was just watching their wildcat reel. And every wildcat snap they had, they played Cover-0. And I’ve been waiting for it.”



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    Damn LL, been following you for a while now and didn't realize you knew this much about the game. Well done, sir.
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    Default Re: HTTR24-7: Film Sessions: Cover 0 Breakdowns VS The Bengals

    The 2nd and 20 call was the worst. Why gamble on that down and distance? Same crap "Haz" pulled against Dallas....

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    LL56, to echo NC21, I mentioned over the phone to your homie that your "football knowledge" posting (not necessarily any actual level of such that wasn't posted) has really gone to the next level in recent months. Well done (and I say that independent of whether or to what degree we align on any various matters--and we do tend to align ).


    This kind of thread can be specifically helpful for so many of us who, within the limitations of our perspectives and access to information, are sometimes unsure how to accurately parse the "blame/credit" regarding the DC and whoever when it comes to overall defensive performance and that of specific units.

    What I read here is a competent and highly credible opponent source saying what many Redskin fans/observers and some "insiders" have long said---that Haslett is predictable. While it's unrealistic to expect a high frequency of "unpredictable" formations being called in the pro game, he errors too far, too often, in the other direction. It seems he is regularly anticipated too correctly and too effectively countered too often by too many different levels of talent. This time is a game-changing example.

    I understand the talent he's had has not been close to ideal at different positions at different times, but he is not doing anything IMO to solidify himself as some source of strength in this team. I posted during the off-season that I expected this year to be his last, and extension notwithstanding, I just don't see how that's going to change given the look of the D to date. Raheem may not be the great answer either, but I can sure endorse giving him a shot at the end of the year, barring some miraculous change I sure can't see.
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    Haslett should be fired immediately. His lapses in scheming are killing us.

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    Default Re: HTTR24-7: Film Sessions: Cover 0 Breakdowns VS The Bengals

    Quote Originally Posted by Lavarleap56 View Post
    Jim Haslett dialed up the Cover 0 look three times in the first quarter with detrimental results for the Redskins. These three plays alone accounted for 143 yards of Bengals offense with 2 touchdowns. I would like to know what has happen for the Redskins to realize that maybe cover 0 is not our strong suit?
    Nice analysis. Personally, I would like to know what has to happen for Mike Shanahan to realize he needs a new defensive coach.

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    180 yards of the Bengals passing yardage came from only 3 plays. All of them were from single coverage mismatches with no safety help. We don't have the elite secondary players for it, we don't need it, stop...
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    Default Re: HTTR24-7: Film Sessions: Cover 0 Breakdowns VS The Bengals

    Quote Originally Posted by NewCliche21 View Post
    Damn LL, been following you for a while now and didn't realize you knew this much about the game. Well done, sir.
    I echo these sentiments as well....appreciate what you do LL.

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    These are the money threads why i still come back to ES.

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    Default Re: HTTR24-7: Film Sessions: Cover 0 Breakdowns VS The Bengals

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade7 View Post
    180 yards of the Bengals passing yardage came from only 3 plays. All of them were from single coverage mismatches with no safety help. We don't have the elite secondary players for it, we don't need it, stop...
    How come we as fans can see these GLARING stats, why can't our million dollar coaches??!!!
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    Okay, I have a question here. Where the hell is the safety on the near hash going? If this was two under, why does it look like he's turned towards the underneath routes? The threat to his zone would be coming from Gresham given body positioning. He still needs to keep his head on a swivel, but it's obvious the safety to the far hash is playing the chair route and has good depth.

    Second, our underneath defender on middle receiver on the side closest to us (tight end trips side) caught running the wrong direction due to the cover 0 alignment. If you look at this pic:



    You can see it clear as day. The inside receiver is running an in route and the guy that's matched up with him is running towards the sideline and has to slam on the brakes.

    So, my "wtf are you doing" question goes to that safety. My "why the hell are we running this against a four receiver set and our coordinator is a knuckle head" award goes to that backer running in the wrong direction.

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    If you listen to Haslett's presser from today, he mentions that they were prepared for a pass in this situation. Just not a pin point 50 yard rope. Regardless the Bengals, and Jay Gruden both deserve some credit on this one. It was a great play, and design, period.
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    Default Re: HTTR24-7: Film Sessions: Cover 0 Breakdowns VS The Bengals

    Quote Originally Posted by skins2victory View Post
    If you listen to Haslett's presser from today, he mentions that they were prepared for a pass in this situation. Just not a pin point 50 yard rope. Regardless the Bengals, and Jay Gruden both deserve some credit on this one. It was a great play, and design, period.
    Look how many people are keyed in on the run. Seems pretty clear to me that they weren't prepared for the pass at all, except for D-Hall.

    And regardless, it doesn't matter if it was a ten-yard pass, a fifty yarder, whatever. If you truly know and are alert for pass, you have to be alert for EVERY passing situation, short, deep, or otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLC1054 View Post
    Look how many people are keyed in on the run. Seems pretty clear to me that they weren't prepared for the pass at all, except for D-Hall.

    And regardless, it doesn't matter if it was a ten-yard pass, a fifty yarder, whatever. If you truly know and are alert for pass, you have to be alert for EVERY passing situation, short, deep, or otherwise.
    Yes, it looks to me that the players were thinking run all the way. I was simply mentioning what Haslett said in his press conference today. Something about how they didnt know this WR could launch a deep one 50 yards down the field, on the mark. Haslett says they were prepared for the pass, thats what he claims anyway.
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    Coaches call Cover-0 blitz against long down and distances because the yardage needed for the 1st down becomes the defenses friend.
    The intent is send enough to create a free rusher and ensure the QB has to get the ball out quick-
    A quick pass (3-step) won't garner the yards needed for a 1st down at that catch and the defense is supposed to rally and tackle to limit YAC

    How come people seem more upset when Cover-0 gets beat more so then any other coverage?

    ---------- Post added September-27th-2012 at 09:20 PM ----------

    Anyways here's some good breakdowns of 0 pressures:
    Bo Pelini
    http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2...litz_6823.html

    Matt Bowen:
    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...tz-scheme.html

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