Santana Moss' Redskins career **500th career reception in the B&G 10/7/12**

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

On a side note, I think Hank has the ability to crack the reception and yards mark, provided he can stay healthy.

I love me some Hank, but I don't think he will ever be anywhere near #89 in terms of productivity. Most of Moss's catches/yards came on screen passes that he made into something special... I just don't see that type of open-field vision/elusiveness from Hank. With that being said, ANY player that stays on this team with RG3 for the next decade will have an extremely good chance of cracking this list.

I think we've all complained at least once about Moss quitting on routes. It has happened.

I know what you are referring to, but I never personally looked at it as if Moss was actually "quitting." There were definitely a few times I think he wasn't expecting to get the ball in certain situations and his lack of awareness made him look like he didn't care... But I just refuse to believe a workhorse like Moss would 'give-up' on a play. (I do recall; however, that one game against the Packers when he took himself out bc he felt he was hurting the team with his performance.)

Hes been ok, always been a pretty terrible fantasy receiver with only 1 season where he had 10 tds and only 1 season with 90 catches. Consistent yet unspectacular.

Really man? Brandon Lloyd was like the top fantasy scorer a few years back-- you telling me like him over Moss? Get that nerdy statsheet **** outta here and watch the games. Portis and Cooley were never great fantasy guys either, but carried our crappy offenses for years. Put them on any successful team and they have a shot at HoF careers.

[Joe_328]

If there were a drug that made me feel the way Santana made me feel from the Monday Night Miracle game, I'd be an addict... I'm in constant search for that high.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Well at least we had Art Monk. I'm 22 years old but I understand.

There's Art Monk then there's "everyone else".

I know Charley Taylor's numbers fall short of Monk's but Taylor is up there with Monk and I would almost put Gary Clark in that list. Clark's numbers fall short simply because of time in our uniform and he was sharing catches with two other guys that would have been the prime target elsewhere. He only had 8 years as Redskin compared to Taylor and Monk who each had 13-14 years. Clark's first two professional years were spent in the USFL. Had Clark played a good 12 seasons in Washington I'm betting we're looking at 800 career receptions and possibly more yards than Monk. He was our home run threat.

Anyway, Santana's career stands solid and will go down as one of the best receivers to wear our uniform.

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...ANY player that stays on this team with RG3 for the next decade will have an extremely good chance of cracking this list.

Any receiver that stands out to RG3 as being as a favorite target has a shot at racking up some major career stats if they stay here long term.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

I know Charley Taylor's numbers fall short of Monk's but Taylor is up there with Monk and I would almost put Gary Clark in that list. Clark's numbers fall short simply because of time in our uniform and he was sharing catches with two other guys that would have been the prime target elsewhere. He only had 8 years as Redskin compared to Taylor and Monk who each had 13-14 years. Clark's first two professional years were spent in the USFL. Had Clark played a good 12 seasons in Washington I'm betting we're looking at 800 career receptions and possibly more yards than Monk. He was our home run threat.

Anyway, Santana's career stands solid and will go down as one of the best receivers to wear our uniform.

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Any receiver that stands out to RG3 as being as a favorite target has a shot at racking up some major career stats if they stay here long term.

Pierre Garcon is our best bet.

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I know what you are referring to, but I never personally looked at it as if Moss was actually "quitting." There were definitely a few times I think he wasn't expecting to get the ball in certain situations and his lack of awareness made him look like he didn't care... But I just refuse to believe a workhorse like Moss would 'give-up' on a play. (I do recall; however, that one game against the Packers when he took himself out bc he felt he was hurting the team with his performance.)

Yeah, you're right. I think what I was trying to say is, we as Skins fans have used him as a scapegoat on more than one occasion when things have gone to crap around here. But in reality, he's been solid at worst and very good at best, over an extended period of time. I don't have anything bad to say about him and his career here. Glad he's still around, too.

[KDawg]

We get it, you hate Hankerson. We can still talk about him. Guess what? I think Hankerson can do what Moss has done. if it pisses you off that I said that, I just might say it again

I don't think it has to do with Hankerson in the least. This is a thread about Santana Moss. Not about Hankerson.

Hes been ok, always been a pretty terrible fantasy receiver with only 1 season where he had 10 tds and only 1 season with 90 catches. Consistent yet unspectacular.

Welcome to Extremeskins, where some people think fantasy stats are the end all be all of production.

God shut up about freakin hankerson already, make a thread about him in 8 years of he's earned it. History shows only 3 redskins wr's have done what moss has done, numbers wise, and on top of that you have unforgettable moments like that Monday night in Dallas and the overtime game winner against the panthers.

People are only bringing up Hankerson because he's from Miami.

[benskins26]

Didn't read through all of this, so apologies if it's already been said- but all I hear about in Raleigh is Steve Smith, and how he's one of the best WRs in football (or at least was), and potential HOFer. I looked at their stats- he has about 900 more yards than Santana (250 of those coming this year), 2 more touchdowns, and about 50 more receptions in the same career span, but more games played. And if you consider that until last year, the best QB he had throwing him the ball was Delhomme, I'd say they had nearly identical careers. Yet Steve Smith is consistently given praise, and you rarely hear anything about Moss, despite playing in a bigger market.

Can anyone make any sense of this?

[HailToTheRedskins14]

Didn't read through all of this, so apologies if it's already been said- but all I hear about in Raleigh is Steve Smith, and how he's one of the best WRs in football (or at least was), and potential HOFer. I looked at their stats- he has about 900 more yards than Santana (250 of those coming this year), 2 more touchdowns, and about 50 more receptions in the same career span, but more games played. And if you consider that until last year, the best QB he had throwing him the ball was Delhomme, I'd say they had nearly identical careers. Yet Steve Smith is consistently given praise, and you rarely hear anything about Moss, despite playing in a bigger market.

Can anyone make any sense of this?

See : London Fletcher and Ray Lewis.

Steve Smith is a flashier player. I won't say Moss doesn't have his moments, but not on the level of Smith. Overall, he's a pretty quiet guy. He gets up, spins the ball, points for a first down, and walks to the huddle. Sorry for the bad quality, but you ever see Santana Moss "row the boat" or whatever this crap is?



That's why he gets HoF talk and Santana doesn't.

[jly0784]

God shut up about freakin hankerson already, make a thread about him in 8 years of he's earned it. History shows only 3 redskins wr's have done what moss has done, numbers wise, and on top of that you have unforgettable moments like that Monday night in Dallas and the overtime game winner against the panthers.

Does it anger you that he had a solid game vs tb? Or that he's our 2nd leading receiver? How about the fact he's broken all the wr records at miami, where 2 current all pros and a hof once played? Maybe you got sucked into the drops situation, but guess what, good players drop it from time to time, roddy white has more drops than anyone over the past few seasons.... but its ok, walmart has tissues you can get for cheap, so stock up on em cause ol hank time is here to stay sunshine

[Bang]

Moss has been a great and true Redskin.
every time he gets the ball, I yell "Viva Santana!"

Michael Westbrook is a bad case.. because people only remember the worst, and associat that with his disappointing career and figure one had something to do with the other.

He got hurt all but 2 years of his career... and not just piddly little things.. he got his neck almost broken, got his knee turned inside out.. when he went on IR, it was for good reason.
The two seasons he managed to play all 16... in his final season here Marty S. froze him out of the offense. I can remember dozens of times the look of frustration on his face when he was wide open.
And why? Because Marty was also the GM< and because Danny had left him very little cap room to work with, Michael's reception bonus was expendable. (This is why you never want your coach being your GM)
the other season he stayed healthy he led the league in yards per rec... with like 18 yards per catch. (He and Connell both had a good year).

His was just a case of bad luck... hardly deserves the level of ire he receives.


Hankerson had a good game last week, but at times he looked a little tentative.. sometimes I wonder if he's listening for footsteps.. and then other times he looks very good,,, underneath route and some quick moves for extra yards.
I think i like him underneath...(That'll end up in the "taken out of context" thread..) he has some deceptively quick moves once he has the ball. he looks much faster and elusive in traffic than you'd think, and looks more confident than he does in the open field.

~Bang

[Park City Skins]

Well said about Michael Bang. Marty restructured his contract that year so that he was paid a much lower base salary then added a ton of incentives. What happened after that you covered,(adding to that was a growing adversarial relationship with Terry Robiskie). Denver game that season,to me,spoke volumes about what could have been.

As for Santana,man I have always liked him. Over the years he became that go to guy for first downs too. Willing to go in to the middle for those tough catches. He had some tough times for sure,but I always smile when he makes a catch.

[KingGibbs]

Agree with the OP. I started a thread last year saying I thought he was under-appreciated. He's been the consummate pro. I really do believe that he keeps Sean in his heart and mind to remind him to appreciate life.

I can only imagine how good he would've been had RGII been here five years ago. He's done what he has done with some horrible, horrible QB's and I think people tend to forget that. That's why I feel he is under-appreciated.

[mike42]

Maybe in terms of professionalism. But as receivers Monk and Moss are almost opposites.

Also your sig sucks. And is too big.

Wow. what a ass. You pm people over those things because it's irrelevant to the topic of the thread. Most importantly, you failed to explain why you disagree with comparison with monk.

[greenspandan]

Does it anger you that he had a solid game vs tb? Or that he's our 2nd leading receiver? How about the fact he's broken all the wr records at miami, where 2 current all pros and a hof once played? Maybe you got sucked into the drops situation, but guess what, good players drop it from time to time, roddy white has more drops than anyone over the past few seasons.... but its ok, walmart has tissues you can get for cheap, so stock up on em cause ol hank time is here to stay sunshine

i'm not angry -- i don't know why people are assuming i hate the guy. i don't. i just think it's absurd to bring up hankerson, who in his second year has 26 total career receptions, and compare him to a guy who has been the most important redskins WR in the last 20 years. in order to match moss' numbers, he'd have to supplant garcon immediately and remain our number one for a very long time. it's a silly thing to bring up, particularly in a thread about how remarkable moss' numbers are.

[planter]

One of best Skins receivers ever. For years he' s been the Skin's ONLY legit WR. Watching Welker up here in NE , I'm thinking Moss could do serious damage from the slot...

[Dan T.]

His game and stature seem perfect for the slot. I hope he settles into that position and has a couple more productive years as a result.