ES: Ice vs. III

[LD0506]

Well for Gawds sake Hap get some more coffee then!

Win or lose this ought to be an interesting game, showcasing the two different "types" of QB these days. Ryan is the archetypal pocket passer, a well tuned instrument played by a coaching staff that knows his range extremely well, Griffin has more of a freeform jazz kinda game going. I think our best chance lies w/ the D front disrupting his game, getting in his face, getting hands up, etc, otherwise there will need to be a firetruck parked on the sidelines for our secondary. With Griffin you really don't know what you'll get but he sure skews opposing gameplans already. I can't recall ever feeling that even if we lose it will be fun to watch the Skins play, we are down the rabbit hole here......

[MattFancy]

They're coming PJ. That QB draw in the redzone has teams on their heals. When they start bringing an extra man in the box you'll see an open guy. I see Fred Davis becoming that go to guy in the end zone. They are starting to build some chemistry.

I can see that happening. Right now teams are leaving the middle of the field open at the GL so RG3 knows he can easily run it in everytime he sees that.

[pjfootballer]

They're coming PJ. That QB draw in the redzone has teams on their heals. When they start bringing an extra man in the box you'll see an open guy. I see Fred Davis becoming that go to guy in the end zone. They are starting to build some chemistry.

Yeah, on the 2 minute drive, they started blitzing Ronde Barber and Fred was wide open. I'm in the camp of "stay with it until they stop it" but I don't want him to get a repitation for being a "running" QB.

[Oldfan]

Forget the deceptive QB stats. Because of his legs, Robert is the much better QB. But Ryan has a much better supporting cast: offense , defense and special teams.

Atlanta is the better team, so the Skins must beat the odds to win.

[KDawg]

Forget the deceptive QB stats. Because of his legs, Robert is the much better QB. But Ryan has a much better supporting cast: offense , defense and special teams.

Atlanta is the better team, so the Skins must beat the odds to win.

I noted that in the OP, OF.

I'm sorry. I noted that in the second post.

But, to play devil's advocate:

How do we know he has a better supporting cast and it's not a product of Ryan's skill elevating the entire team?

[Oldfan]

I noted that in the OP, OF.

I'm sorry. I noted that in the second post.

But, to play devil's advocate:

How do we know he has a better supporting cast and it's not a product of Ryan's skill elevating the entire team?

Among other reasons, we know that because of the mountain of evidence gathered over the years that QBs who move to different teams have far different performances. Steve Young is just one example but he's a good one because he moved from the worst team to the best.

[LetThePointsSoar]

Nice KDawg up thread write.

My words must still be in the same order confusion as Page 1.

Good breakdown, though. So excited to see this matchup!

[KDawg]

Among other reasons, we know that because of the mountain of evidence gathered over the years that QBs who move to different teams have far different performances. Steve Young is just one example but he's a good one because he moved from the worst team to the best.

Matt Ryan has never changed teams. So there is no evidence that he is or is not the reason for the Falcons supporting cast being solid.

[darrelgreenie]

I think this match-up is more a contrast of offenses then a contrast of QB styles i.e. pocket passer vs Griffin.
Griffin is both a pocket passer and scrambler/playmaker/runner (whatever) this offenses features Griffin+Almo through the running game the Falcons feature Ryan+Roddy+Julio through the passing game.

[KDawg]

Matt Ryan is a QB. The evidence of other QBs who moved logically applies to all QBs.

How so? I don't see the relevence. Perhaps I'm not smart enough to see it, however.

[Oldfan]

Matt Ryan has never changed teams. So there is no evidence that he is or is not the reason for the Falcons supporting cast being solid.

Matt Ryan is a QB. The evidence of other QBs who moved logically applies to all QBs.

[darrelgreenie]

Roddy White was a 1,000+ yard, 6 TD WR the season prior to Matt Ryan arrival.

[KDawg]

Roddy White was a 1,000+ yard, 6 TD WR the season prior to Matt Ryan arrival.

Which is one player. One player does not make a team. To say someone has a better supporting cast means that there has to be solid proof of that.

And for the record, I said RG3 was a pocket mover not a runner.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Ryan's my main fantasy QB.

I want RGIII to win.

I hate FF at times. Can we have a 59 56 Redskins win please, with all Atlanta's scores coming through the air?

Hail.

[Oldfan]

How so? I don't see the relevence. Perhaps I'm not smart enough to see it, however.

Steve Young was a QB whose numbers reflected a huge difference in performance after being traded. The huge performance difference can only be explained by differences in his support systems. The same is true for other QBs who made moves both up and down. So, QB PLUS support system = performance. Since Ryan is a QB that formula applies to him as well..