ES: Ice vs. III

[KDawg]

Steve Young was a QB whose numbers reflected a huge difference in performance after being traded. The huge performance difference can only be explained by differences in his support systems. The same is true for other QBs who made moves both up and down. So, QB PLUS support system = performance. Since Ryan is a QB that formula applies to him as well..

Wouldn't that also mean that RG3 has a sound support system as we have the top scoring offense in the NFL?

[Tay]

I don't think we can take anything away from Ryan because of his supporting cast. For a QB to succeed, it takes talent, work ethic, system, and supporting cast. Both RG3 and Matt Ryan have all of these. While you can argue Ryan has the better supporting cast, it can also be argued that RG3 is in a better system to produce big numbers.

They both are great talents. Can't wait to see the game Sunday

[darrelgreenie]

Which is one player. One player does not make a team. To say someone has a better supporting cast means that there has to be solid proof of that.

Regardless of your opinions on supporting cast, I was posting a fact not making a statement.
Roddy White was a 1,000+ yard, 6 TD WR the season prior to Matt Ryan arrival.

I don't care to be dragged into a patently obvious difference in supporting cast that is why I didn't make a statement like: being that an elite WR can have a huge impact on a team's passing as evidenced by TO effect on McNabb in Philly or Randy Moss (in his prime) effect on every QB that he played with.
Roddy White as an elite WR has a similar if not equal benefit to Matt Ryan.

And for the record, I said RG3 was a pocket mover not a runner.

Why so salty today 'for the record' and all of ?

Anyways I wasn't responding to your statement directly or I would have quoted it and further I chose the "(whatever)" to reflect anyones view of Griffin's non-pocket passing attributes.

[Oldfan]

Wouldn't that also mean that RG3 has a sound support system as we have the top scoring offense in the NFL?

A few problems with your statement: 1) the top scoring offense is a poor stat, especially after just four games; 2) the definition of "sound" is vague; 3) the definition of support system -- in my mind the support system is offense, defense and special teams since all can contribute to some degree to those QB stats.

[KDawg]

Why so salty today 'for the record' and all of ?

Anyways I wasn't responding to your statement directly or I would have quoted it and further I chose the "(whatever)" to reflect anyones view of Griffin's non-pocket passing attributes.

No saltiness.

It's been well established that I believe that RG3 can be a pocket passer, but due to our OL being shoddy at times, sometimes that pocket is somewhere other than where it generally is. Hence the term, "pocket mover". He moves the pocket very well. He's not a run first pass second guy. If it's a pass play he passes unless all of his reads are covered.

---------- Post added October-4th-2012 at 11:49 AM ----------

A few problems with your statement: 1) the top scoring offense is a poor stat, especially after just four games; 2) the definition of "sound" is vague; 3) the definition of support system -- in my mind the support system is offense, defense and special teams since all can contribute to some degree to those QB stats.

Then how do you come to the conclusion that RG3 is the better QB?

(Keep in mind, I'm not disagreeing with that diagnosis. Just trying to understand where you're coming from.)

---------- Post added October-4th-2012 at 11:52 AM ----------

A few problems with your statement: 1) the top scoring offense is a poor stat, especially after just four games; 2) the definition of "sound" is vague; 3) the definition of support system -- in my mind the support system is offense, defense and special teams since all can contribute to some degree to those QB stats.

Then how do you come to the conclusion that RG3 is the better QB?

(Keep in mind, I'm not disagreeing with that diagnosis. Just trying to understand where you're coming from.)

[HOF44]

Better factor in a sloppy field this weekend, looks like the rains a comin!

[darrelgreenie]

It's been well established that I believe that RG3 can be a pocket passer, but due to our OL being shoddy at times, sometimes that pocket is somewhere other than where it generally is. Hence the term, "pocket mover". He moves the pocket very well. He's not a run first pass second guy. If it's a pass play he passes unless all of his reads are covered.

Okay.
My post actually affirms that Griffin is a pocket passer and it wasn't even directed at you.

[KDawg]

Okay.
My post actually affirms that Griffin is a pocket passer and it wasn't even directed at you.

Fair enough.

[Oldfan]

...Then how do you come to the conclusion that RG3 is the better QB?

I judge them on the tangibles -- what I can see -- what they can do with their arm and legs.

Robert is better because he can use both his arm and his legs as weapons. So, he needs less help to win than Matty.

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

I think Matt Ryan is overrated, but I still think he is a good QB. The last two playoff games they have played have been about as pathetic as any I can remember. Last year they hung a "2" spot on the NYG, and the year before they got blown out at home by the Packers.

If they don't win one this year (especially if it's a poor performance), he'll have to start answering some of the same questions Mr. Romo did and still does to this day. And I think their coach is a real POS. He looks like he might be Danny Smith's long lost older brother. I wanna set that dude on fire.

And Mattie Ice would've been a cool nickname in 1985, now...not so much. If you can't tell, I absolutely hate the Falcons.

[Teller]

How did MattFancy's post wind up first?

I opened the thread and thought, "Great thread, bro." Then, "Well, at least KDawg saved it."

[Bacon]

KDawg with the assist!

[Dr. Do Itch Big]

Yes, you could start to see White we going to blow up big though in 2007 if he ever got a QB throwing to him.

Vick gets a lot of Blake but I think I remember reading that White didn't really put in the time till Vick went to prison. Also, Joe Horn deserves a lot of credit for the development of Roddy White.

[Mr. Sinister]

Vick gets a lot of Blake but I think I remember reading that White didn't really put in the time till Vick went to prison. Also, Joe Horn deserves a lot of credit for the development of Roddy White.

I remember that as well. In the latter part of Vick's career there, he and Michael Jenkins had a tendency to drop passes.

[MattFancy]

I opened the thread and thought, "Great thread, bro." Then, "Well, at least KDawg saved it."

I still think its funny that not only is my post the first one, but it says I started it lol