Unemployment falls below 8

[Larry]

technically oil production would allow for jobs and lower prices for every truck on the road lowering prices allowing for more jobs.
and stop 99% of our middle east wars over the last 30 years.
win/win!

I thought I'd heard that domestic energy production is pretty close to a record.

And so are prices. In a down economy.

And we still have wars.

[twa]

You are wrong about public land, remove the ban and let the states decide

but back to the job issue....ask ND if it brings jobs and money
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http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjourna...re-states.html

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I thought I'd heard that domestic energy production is pretty close to a record.

And so are prices. In a down economy.

And we still have wars.

So is imports

So is health ins costs

We bombed Libya for oil for Europe?

[Larry]

So is imports

So is health ins costs

We bombed Libya for oil for Europe?

So, your point is "Yes, Larry, you're right. Increasing domestic energy production does not guarantee lower prices, or world peace"?

Or was it "Oops, that claim wasn't true! Quick! Let's run over here!"?

[twa]

Are they lower than they would be w/o the increased production?

Domestic sources ensure supply,not price...they also lessen imports impact on military intervention(though as Libya shows....)

conversion to NG will impact price/supply

if you want someone to undercut domestically produced oil prices,you must first have that production

there is no credible threat of that under O

add

if you are interested in price differentials, look and see what Cali is doing and paying

[Larry]

Are they lower than they would be w/o the increased production?

Ah. So "lower prices" means "lower than some other number"?

[twa]

Ah. So "lower prices" means "lower than some other number"?

Yes, that is how it works , much like the value of a dollar it is variable
speaking of which, the dollar falling makes oil higher....amazing ain't it.

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or you can go this route
http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/why-g...ually-falling/
When viewed in relation to gold, gas prices are low…only 82% of their average over the past 41 years.

[AsburySkinsFan]

You are wrong about public land, remove the ban and let the states decide

If I hear "let states decide" one more time I think I'll gag!
We have watched repeatedly as states (heavily influenced by a few key interests) have made collosal mindnumbingly and catastrophic decisions because of one or two heavy campaign contributors; Mountaintop removal is a perfect example, Texas board of education is yet another.

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When viewed in relation to gold, gas prices are low…only 82% of their average over the past 41 years.

What a bogus example! Gold prices have shot up as the economy collapsed, it had nothing to do with supply and demand and everything to do with people seeking stable investments.

[twa]

You're just jealous cause we got better test scores in science....and math

[Larry]

Yes, that is how it works , much like the value of a dollar it is variable
speaking of which, the dollar falling makes oil higher....amazing ain't it.

add
or you can go this route
http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/why-g...ually-falling/
When viewed in relation to gold, gas prices are low…only 82% of their average over the past 41 years.

Well, that would explain why you can't come up with any REAL metrics for your attempt to say things aren't getting better.

Your definition of words like "better" or "higher" are "compared to things I make up".

So, does this mean you aren't attacking Obama for record gas prices, any more? Now that you've determined that they're actually below average, and all?

[twa]

Well, that would explain why you can't come up with any REAL metrics for your attempt to say things aren't getting better.

Your definition of words like "better" or "higher" are "compared to things I make up".

So, does this mean you aren't attacking Obama for record gas prices, any more? Now that you've determined that they're actually below average, and all?

I am still awaiting you to define your metrics for your yardsticks......better than what?
When O goes to the gold standard I will give him credit for lowering gas prices

[chipwhich]

I am still awaiting you to define your metrics for your yardsticks......better than what?

For me, my house is worth less than 4 years ago even though interest rates have dropped a couple of points.

My kids college tuition is higher, but hey I can get low interest college loans and default so that is good

Gas prices still suck.

My 401K plan is back to what it was 4 years ago...

Gas prices still suck.

So even steven right

[twa]

So even steven right

Wrong, you lost years ...old man

[Larry]

I am still awaiting you to define your metrics for your yardsticks......better than what?
When O goes to the gold standard I will give him credit for lowering gas prices

Until then, you will only use the gold standard when you are attempting to redefine reality.

I've already pointed out some measures by which things are better.

7.8% unemployment is better than 8.1.
GDP getting bigger is better than it getting smaller.
There are more people working than before.
I think I've read that there are fewer unemployed, but I'm not sure of that.
Corporate profits and the stock market are at or near records.
I think I've read that even housing prices are coming back up.
Heck, the federal deficit was going down. (But I think it's projected to go up, this year).

None of these are getting better QUICKLY. None of them are really good.

But "not getting better as quickly as I'd like" is not "not getting better".

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But your the one who claimed that they WEREN'T getting better. Tell us your metrics.

[twa]

I'll grant 7.8 is better than 8.1....but is more part time,lower paying jobs really better?(especially with energy and food costs rising)
GDP is anemic and appears to be slowing (which is the major reason QE3 is in play)
There are more working....and a all time low participation rate with a growing pop
Fewer unemployed depends on who you count....see participation rate and definitions
Corp profits are up...in devalued dollars,driven by massive govt borrowing/stimulus and a monetary policy that is shoveling them money
Housing up barely....from massive govt buying of mortgages

You say ripe tomato...I say it is rotting

Bon appetit, I ain't buying it

[AsburySkinsFan]

I'll grant 7.8 is better than 8.1....but is more part time,lower paying jobs really better?(especially with energy and food costs rising)

Look to your beloved job creators, they could be taking fewer profits and create more fulltime and better paying jobs, but they don't. Instead they choose to maximize their profits at the expense of the people. However, the GOP would have us believe that these corporations are interested in putting people yo work, and interested in providing ood fulltime jobs and lowering the unemployment rate for the good of the country.....but they don't....they just don't.

Again, you offered nothing in the way of fixing this any sooner than Obama. Yet you still want to blame him for what exactly?
Oh that's right for being a Democrat.