What is our biggest economic problem and which one can we address the fastest?

[skinsfan_1215]

You have a what's in it for me attitude , and dislike it in employers?

people need a reason to work or to hire

I'm assuming one reason you might hire more employees is if there was a greater demand for the product/service you supply and you needed to hire to keep up with demand, correct?

[HeluCopter29]

Seems a odd position to take....how much I have does not affect the value/costs or risk/rewards of additional hiring.
It reflects you hold to the notion that if I have money I am obligated by it.

the choices are not simply the either/ or you list

I wouldn't say that you're somehow obligated by it. But the Republican position has seemingly been "protect the job creator at all costs" which involves making sure they have enough money to succeed. It also means that right now they don't have enough money/it's to expensive to hire American labor. Which, if it's true means that my idea that we're going to be saved by public sector growth is completely false.

What I'm really asking is (to use your terms) if the value/costs and the risks/rewards were totally in your favor, would you be able to expand and hire large amounts of people?

And let's assume that they're not in your favor at this very moment. Why are they not and what would it take to make them that way?

I'm truly just trying to get a better understanding of what's preventing the "job creators" from creating more jobs. Because as far as my understanding of the facts are concerned, it's that they have no desire.

[twa]

I'm assuming one reason you might hire more employees is if there was a greater demand for the product/service you supply and you needed to hire to keep up with demand, correct?

Greater demand means a greater potential profit....but why should I make more money by hiring and increased production over simply raising prices to make more?
If you limit competition a high demand simply raises what you can charge

[HeluCopter29]

Greater demand means a greater potential profit....but why should I make more money by hiring and increased production over simply raising prices to make more?
If you limit competition a high demand simply raises what you can charge

So the "job creators" aren't actually job creators then?

[skinsfan_1215]

Greater demand means a greater potential profit....but why should I make more money by hiring and increased production over simply raising prices to make more?
If you limit competition a high demand simply raises what you can charge

If you're charging less than you can then you aren't a very good businessman... Curious how you go about limiting competition, that seems like it's a successful business model.

But that wasn't the question was it? I'll try again.

As a business owner, you would hire more people to keep up with a greater demand in order to maximize profits, correct?

[twa]

I'm truly just trying to get a better understanding of what's preventing the "job creators" from creating more jobs. Because as far as my understanding of the facts are concerned, it's that they have no desire.

Are you conflating the rich with job creators?
You get jobs by increased opportunity in the merchant class combined with available capital

[HeluCopter29]

Are you conflating the rich with job creators?
You get jobs by increased opportunity in the merchant class combined with available capital

So if the rich isn't creating jobs, then why do they need this protecting that Republicans are always talking about?

[skinsfan_1215]

No for profit business I know of has job creation as a primary goal, it is the byproduct of a healthy market

Of course... You don't hire people for the sake of it, you hire because demand is strong and you need people to keep up with it.

[twa]

So the "job creators" aren't actually job creators then?

No for profit business I know of has job creation as a primary goal, it is the byproduct of a healthy market

[twa]

So if the rich isn't creating jobs, then why do they need this protecting that Republicans are always talking about?

Are you talking about capital gains tax?

You see no value in encouraging the rich to put their money in play here?...it can go elsewhere

[NLC1054]

Are you talking about capital gains tax?

You see no value in encouraging the rich to put their money in play here?...it can go elsewhere

I think what he's talking about is the insistence that job creators need fewer regulations and much lower taxes. And the very wealthy are commonly referred to as the primary job creators, along with small business owners in much smaller ways.

[HeluCopter29]

Are you talking about capital gains tax?

You see no value in encouraging the rich to put their money in play here?...it can go elsewhere

The Republicans sell that the rich are the job creators and it is for this reason they need some sort of special protection from taxes. But you're now telling me that the rich almost exclusively make their profit off of capital gains. I actually already knew that. So my question now becomes, why would taxing them discourage investing in an economy that dwarfs everyone else in size? According to the CIA factbook, more then twice the size of China and nearly 3 times the size of Japan

---------- Post added October-6th-2012 at 07:10 PM ----------

I think what he's talking about is the insistence that job creators need fewer regulations and much lower taxes. And the very wealthy are commonly referred to as the primary job creators, along with small business owners in much smaller ways.

Everything you said. Except for the part about small business owners. Of course, that really depends on your definition of small business.

[twa]

The size of a economy does not determine the possible ROI ,nor even the opportunities available there
Your mistake in conflating the rich with job creator just confuses the real issues

[ClassAdaGlance]

Well, to change the subject somewhat (though what I'm saying does directly affect the economy)..!!!. Whether you like the "new" healthplan or not (Obamacare), my health insurance went up substantially "directly" because of his new plan!! I am with BAE Systems, and received a letter last fall saying because of "his" new law, my insurance would change drastically!!! It happened to me - I am paying over $725 a month for only me, and I'm getting ready to find out what the new premium will be in a few days. It will certainly be over $800, and it makes it very hard to just "get by"!!! If you want quality health insurance, now it's practically out of reach.

I don't want to stand in lines in the city just to get substandard care, and that's only if they'll ever even fit you in!!! We'll probably be standing in the streets - just hoping to get in!!! Boy, what a "positive" change!!! Thank the Lord for these "DEBATES"!!!!! (Before I forget) HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!! FOREVER!!!

---------- Post added October-6th-2012 at 07:21 PM ----------

Well, to change the subject somewhat (though what I'm saying does directly affect the economy)..!!!. Whether you like the "new" healthplan or not (Obamacare), my health insurance went up substantially "directly" because of his new plan!! I am with BAE Systems, and received a letter last fall saying because of "his" new law, my insurance would change drastically!!! It happened to me - I am paying over $725 a month for only me, and I'm getting ready to find out what the new premium will be in a few days. It will certainly be over $800, and it makes it very hard to just "get by"!!! If you want quality health insurance, now it's practically out of reach.

I don't want to stand in lines in the city just to get substandard care, and that's only if they'll ever even fit you in!!! We'll probably be standing in the streets - just hoping to get in!!! Boy, what a "positive" change!!! Thank the Lord for these "DEBATES"!!!!! (Before I forget) HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!! FOREVER!!!

[NLC1054]

The size of a economy does not determine the possible ROI ,nor even the opportunities available there
Your mistake in conflating the rich with job creator just confuses the real issues

That is not our mistakes, that is the GOP talking point. That the wealthy and the job creators are one in the same.