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[AsburySkinsFan]

Just because you speak like Yoda, although a strong and admirable move, doesn't mean it's not crazy.

crazy as determined by whom? A minority group who says that 90% of the world is wrong? Really?

From the inside looking out, I'm sure you'd like to remove yourself from extremists like this guy, but from my seat, it's just different ramblings from the same group.

Only because you haven't bothered to see and understand what differentiates the groups. By your logic a new convert who goes out speaking and acting like his old self should then speak or all, and that's absurd.

[Koolblue13]

crazy as determined by whom? A minority group who says that 90% of the world is wrong? Really?


Only because you haven't bothered to see and understand what differentiates the groups. By your logic a new convert who goes out speaking and acting like his old self should then speak or all, and that's absurd.

My opinion is the believing in religion is crazy. Your opinion is the religion is real. It's all opinion, that we chose to believe. Opinion is what it is.

[AsburySkinsFan]

My opinion is the believing in religion is crazy. Your opinion is the religion is real. It's all opinion, that we chose to believe. Opinion is what it is.

Your opinion is in the vast minority and proposes that 90% of the world is nuts. This isn't a matter of opinion like which is better vanilla or chocolate, you honestly believe that 90% of the world's population is crazy, or too stupid to get out of it's own way, or can't cope with reality. And you call us arrogant.

[Koolblue13]

Your opinion is in the vast minority and proposes that 90% of the world is nuts. This isn't a matter of opinion like which is better vanilla or chocolate, you honestly believe that 90% of the world's population is crazy, or too stupid to get out of it's own way, or can't cope with reality. And you call us arrogant.

80% of the world lives on less than $10 a day also. Think their education is up to par?

What's the percentage of people in modern countries who believe compared to the poorest countries?

Where are you getting your 90%? Here is an article from the Christian Post that says 51% of the world believe in some kind of God.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/49994/

[Burgold]

I believe that there is an infinite number of things that we as humans don't know and simultaneously there is almost nothing that we know absolutely. That said, I find it distressing when we run away from facts and believe denial is good discourse.

If you don't want to believe in evolution or geology, or something else... it should be replaced with something with equal weight and not ephemeral hope.

It seems extremely unlikely that the Earth is only 9,000 years old, there's far too much evidence in that contradict it. Now, it is conceivable that carbon dating and other methods we use to date objects are inaccurate. It's not impossible that the world is 9,000 years old, but it's really, really unlikely.

What's worse is that if we accept that the world is 9,000 years old don't we have to accept that the world is flat? There's a reason we were given reason and curiousity... and it wasn't that we needed a test to prove our blind stubborn loyalty to doctrine.

At least, I hope not.

[thebluefood]

My opinion is the believing in religion is crazy. Your opinion is the religion is real. It's all opinion, that we chose to believe. Opinion is what it is.

So, just so I'm clear:





All mad men.

[Koolblue13]

So, should I now post pictures of religious lunatics from the last few hundred years thebluefood? What's your point?

[mistertim]

crazy as determined by whom? A minority group who says that 90% of the world is wrong? Really?

To be fair, at various points throughout human history there have been very large majorities of populations who believed something that most people nowadays see as obviously absurd. So your apparent assertion that just because most people believe something it is correct doesn't have much logical or historical support. On the other hand I wouldn't label people who have certain religious beliefs as "crazy", as in actually psychotic, even if I disagree with them (certain exceptions apply of course).

[Koolblue13]

Alright, maybe crazy isn't the right word. If somebody told you they just rode a unicorn to battle a dragon, what would you call the person who believed them?

And popularity doesn't dictate anything, anytime. If fact, I'd say it's usually the opposite.

[mistertim]

If somebody told you they just rode a unicorn to battle a dragon, what would you call the person who believed them?

"Awesome"

[Koolblue13]

"Awesome"

Yeah, I guess you're right

[alexey]

Alright, maybe crazy isn't the right word. If somebody told you they just rode a unicorn to battle a dragon, what would you call the person who believed them?

And popularity doesn't dictate anything, anytime. If fact, I'd say it's usually the opposite.

It is not crazy to say that you believe what majority of people say they believe.

For most of history, actually, going against the majority on this subject would have been crazy and suicidal.

[AsburySkinsFan]

80% of the world lives on less than $10 a day also. Think their education is up to par?

So education will set you free? Right because how much you make has any bearing on one's belief in the almighty.

What's the percentage of people in modern countries who believe compared to the poorest countries?

So you're comparing modern secular states with poor nations...apples and oranges my friend.

Where are you getting your 90%? Here is an article from the Christian Post that says 51% of the world believe in some kind of God.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/49994/

The 90% was rhetorical. Per the article 18% are atheists another 17% don't know...that still leaves you well in the minority, and most the 18% come from European secular nations.

---------- Post added October-7th-2012 at 10:23 AM ----------

So, should I now post pictures of religious lunatics from the last few hundred years thebluefood? What's your point?

Only if we get to post pictures of the athiest mass murderers who killed more people in a decade than all of the holy wars combined....sure go right ahead.

---------- Post added October-7th-2012 at 10:34 AM ----------

Alright, maybe crazy isn't the right word. If somebody told you they just rode a unicorn to battle a dragon, what would you call the person who believed them?

No, I don't believe in dragons or unicorns. But isn't it interesting that you go straight for something which would by all rights be fairly easy to prove...i.e. a photo of a dragon and a unicorn on a cell phone should be relatively easy to produce. Yet, that's not what we're talking about here is it?

And popularity doesn't dictate anything, anytime. If fact, I'd say it's usually the opposite.

Not popularity that makes it sound arbitrary (again chocolate/vanilla), but if we say that 82% of people (subtracting atheists) have some inclination about a higher being, whether through teaching or personal experience that should be taken into account. Especially considering that the rules by which you determine reality are so narrowly focused as to exclude anything you cannot prove by your rules. Which as we've established in other topics is not how people actually live, because people don't live their lives in doubt and skepticism although you probably think they should.

[Koolblue13]

Being an Atheist doesn't include you in a subculture the way being in a particular religion does.

Everybody is part of one group, humans. Some people have decided to include themselves in a smaller sect of our global society, in this case religious groups. I haven't included myself in Atheism, I just don't partake.

---------- Post added October-7th-2012 at 10:36 AM ----------

It is not crazy to say that you believe what majority of people say they believe.

For most of history, actually, going against the majority on this subject would have been crazy and suicidal.

So, in a post that I say crazy isn't the right word, you chose to correct my use of the word crazy?

[AsburySkinsFan]

Being an Atheist doesn't include you in a subculture the way being in a particular religion does.

Everybody is part of one group, humans. Some people have decided to include themselves in a smaller sect of our global society, in this case religious groups. I haven't included myself in Atheism, I just don't partake.

I'll answer you with....you....

You don't get to pick and chose who is in your group any more than the Muslims do and look how we've been treating that group of people, based on the actions of a small handful.