Do you Feel the cause of R3G getting hurt is due to Kyles game plan, run run run.

[skins4eva]

There seem to be several arguments going on here.

1. Kyle was hired only because he was Mike's son.
2. Kyle called too many QB runs and thus got RGIII hurt
3. Kyle didn't call enough runs with Morris.
4. The Texans got worse when Kyle left.
5. Kyle is responsible for the Kennedy Assassination.
6. Cundiff missing the FG is the reason that RGIII got hurt.

I'm going to invoke "Occam's razor," which states "that among competing hypotheses, the one which makes the fewest assumptions should be selected." Said another way, the simplest answer is probably the best.

RGIII got hurt because he got hit in the head by a large man on a broken play. There's really nothing more to it than that. The play was broken, he tried to scramble, he failed to get down or out of bounds, and he got leveled. It happens to QBs all the time. Mobile ones and non-mobile ones.

Kyle was a very good OC in Houston and ran the same offense that Mike taught in Denver. He was a natural fit. Was there some "he's my son" going on? Probably. But if Kyle ran the wishbone, I doubt he would have been brought in here.

At least in this game, I don't know if there was 1 called QB run. If there was, it was only 1.

The biggest reason that the 'Skins didn't have more running plays with Morris is that they couldn't convert on 3rd downs. So this has become their Achilles heel. Ok. I'm ok with that. Rookie QB, known passing situation. He's not Joe Montana in his 4th game. And, if Garcon and Davis stop dropping freaking 3rd down passes, that statistic would improve. Maybe they couldn't catch because it was wet. I dunno.

Who really cares about the offensive output of the Texans with or without Kyle? They've been building that team for 5 years, and they're very good on all sides of the ball. They are a complete team.

Cundiff missing the FG was terrible. But I don't think that when RGIII went off running he was thinking about the score. My guess he was just being a player.

I personally believe that Kyle was not responsible for the Kennedy assassination just because he wasn't born yet. But that's just me.

You really are the voice of reason! How can we be sure he wasn't responsible for Kennedy's assassination? Haven't you read Stephen kings new book? I don't think there are many people here actually blaming Kyle for RGIII's injury--I think some of us, including me, have taken it as an opportunity to criticize Kyle's play calling and overall gameplan. While others insist that Kyle is a brilliant young offensive mind and is doing a fantastic job with what he's been given. Those seem to be the two sides to the primary debate in this thread.

[Redskins Diehard]

Each week we have used the legs and arm of RG3 to score in the 30s and even 40 points per game. Today Morris was on fire and not one time did we go after the Falcons secondary. No play action, no shots in the endzone, nothing to keep the Falcons Defense guessing or off balance. We just looked like we had no offensive game plan and our QB RG3 was hung out to dry!

Call it what you want but this sure did not look like the offense that took the field the last 4 weeks and it had all the help of a running game it needed!

The QB got crushed on a play action. Remember the one? A fake to Morris and a blitzing Dunta Robinson had a clear run at the blindside...Morris could not get back after carrying out the fake.

[allskinz]

RG3 is smart.. I believe he has learned a lesson..albeit the hard way.. Play calling did not cause his concussion, trying to get a few extra yards got him a concussion.

[Skinz4Life12]

The QB got crushed on a play action. Remember the one? A fake to Morris and a blitzing Dunta Robinson had a clear run at the blindside...Morris could not get back after carrying out the fake.

yea that was a perfectly timed corner blitz by the falcons. i would still like to have seen more PA when Morris is gashing them like that

[MartinC]

So the answer is a direct snap to Morris?

Not a play call I like I will agree, especially in goal to go, but with the defense having to account for RGIII who ran outside RT the hope was a defender would follow him and it would open a crease for Morris up the middle. It di dnot quite work but we got positive yardage. It was hardly some weird left field call.

I do agree that we need to start taking the training wheels off RGIII more (assuming he is OK to play Sunday). We took the ball out of his hands too much Sunday IMO. Need to open up the passing game more and let RGIII deliver - he has so far. But complaining RGIII got hurt because we run too much in a game in which he had ONE run and was hurt on a play which was a called pass and in which he scrambled seems, well, strange.

[skinsmarydu]

I have to agree. Toss the ball away. A half a yard more wasn't going to matter and it got him hurt. This comes with experience. He will learn from this mistake, and be a better QB.
Hail.

I thought he would try to hurdle over both defenders. My husband, a native Atlantan, was yelling, "Throw it away, throw it away!" on that play. (Bless his heart.) He knows how important RGIII is to me and our team, and we're both praying he's ok.
That being said, the only positive is that he was trying to WIN. Giving it all he had. Just hope it wasn't too much.
Hail!

[skinfan2k]

3 drives were stalled by big drops on 3rd down by moss, garcon and davis. Those drops were all between the 40s.

[Skinz4Life12]

3 drives were stalled by big drops on 3rd down by moss, garcon and davis. Those drops were all between the 40s.

yep, then Garcon had that crucial drop that was reviewed and it happened a few plays before RG3 gets knocked out. If he holds onto that pass, things could have unfolded a lot differently

[Hitman21ST]

And your agenda is that he's a great OC and apparently is above criticism. I've already dispatched with the "everyone thinks he's a brilliant young mind" argument. See Josh Mcdaniels and basically any other Bill B. protege. You don't seem capable of actually using facts to support your position. I've outlined why I think Kyle is a weak OC. I don't have an agenda. I have a wife a kid and a job. I just love this team and am pointing out what I see as a glaring weakness in coaching. And I respect the fact that you disagree but don't insist that i have an agenda. It doesn't even make any sense in this context. It's not as though I know Kyle.

No, I've actually called him on it when he's made some bad decisions. You actually haven't "dispatched" with that idea, you said "yeah, because the Texans were trying so hard to get him back." McDaniels and Belichick's coaching tree have nothing to do with Kyle whatsoever. And I actually have used facts - remember the offensive rankings? I didn't make those up. What "facts" have you used? 3rd down percentage? I'll counter with being top 11 in total number of first downs, points, and yards, and number 15 in time of possession. You said that 3rd down percentage is the best indicator of offensive production, but I say that points, ToP, total first downs, and yards are. The Steelers have the best 3rd down percentage in the NFL, but we have put up close on to 50 more points than they have. The Chiefs are 5th, but have only scored one more point than the Steelers. Are you arguing that their offenses are better? You just decide to turn a blind eye to anything good he actually does. When you point out only the bad and don't acknowledge the good (or try to argue that the only reason he's here is nepotism), that's a beautiful agenda you're pushing. That "glaring weakness" that we have at coaching actually isn't, and refusing to admit it reeks of something that I've already said.

I have a wife, kids, and a job to; what does that have anything to do with anything?

[hail2skins]

Speaking of which, why was that ruled an incomplete pass (the Garcon play that was reviewed)? If it wasn't a fumble, he should've been ruled down and the Skins should've had the ball there.

Oh that's right, the player has to make a "football move." Seems like these days a "football move" requires that you take at least five steps. This league is becoming a joke.

[Hitman21ST]

You really are the voice of reason! How can we be sure he wasn't responsible for Kennedy's assassination? Haven't you read Stephen kings new book? I don't think there are many people here actually blaming Kyle for RGIII's injury--I think some of us, including me, have taken it as an opportunity to criticize Kyle's play calling and overall gameplan. While others insist that Kyle is a brilliant young offensive mind and is doing a fantastic job with what he's been given. Those seem to be the two sides to the primary debate in this thread.

Please tell us what his overall gameplan is. You have absolutely no idea what it is - gameplans change once the game starts and you see what the defense gives you. Of course you know what the perfect call would have been after the fact, but you make the best call available in the game.

I swear there are people here who think his playsheet has columns that are labeled "Touchdown plays", "Turnovers", "Plays that don't work", and "OK plays", and that he calls just from the "Don't work" and "OK" columns.

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Speaking of which, why was that ruled an incomplete pass (the Garcon play that was reviewed)? If it wasn't a fumble, he should've been ruled down and the Skins should've had the ball there.

Oh that's right, the player has to make a "football move." Seems like these days a "football move" requires that you take at least five steps. This league is becoming a joke.

The ball wasn't secured. He caught it, but as he was tucking it it got jostled, so he had to bring his other hand in to keep it from popping out. When he hit the ground it came out anyway. It was the right call.

[Redskins Diehard]

yea that was a perfectly timed corner blitz by the falcons. i would still like to have seen more PA when Morris is gashing them like that

I think many of our successful runs early were on tosses. Those aren't as conducive to play action.

[diehardskinpsoup]

Point blank....this was a concern and it happened. RGIII trying to do to much. Okay Robert we get it...you ARE fearless. You are also no good to us if you arent on the field. Heal up, Wheel up, bring it back come rewind. RGIII, please learn to avoid hits. We need you brotha.

[Skinz4Life12]

I think many of our successful runs early were on tosses. Those aren't as conducive to play action.

This is another point i was trying to make. A fake toss with Griffin bootlegging on 3rd down would have been an easy conversion for us at critical points in the game. I wish we would have seen some of that before he got hurt

[skins4eva]

No, I've actually called him on it when he's made some bad decisions. You actually haven't "dispatched" with that idea, you said "yeah, because the Texans were trying so hard to get him back." McDaniels and Belichick's coaching tree have nothing to do with Kyle whatsoever. And I actually have used facts - remember the offensive rankings? I didn't make those up. What "facts" have you used? 3rd down percentage? I'll counter with being top 11 in total number of first downs, points, and yards, and number 15 in time of possession. You said that 3rd down percentage is the best indicator of offensive production, but I say that points, ToP, total first downs, and yards are. The Steelers have the best 3rd down percentage in the NFL, but we have put up close on to 50 more points than they have. The Chiefs are 5th, but have only scored one more point than the Steelers. Are you arguing that their offenses are better? You just decide to turn a blind eye to anything good he actually does. When you point out only the bad and don't acknowledge the good (or try to argue that the only reason he's here is nepotism), that's a beautiful agenda you're pushing. That "glaring weakness" that we have at coaching actually isn't, and refusing to admit it reeks of something that I've already said.

I have a wife, kids, and a job to; what does that have anything to do with anything?

Total offensive ranking is a completely flawed statistic because it is based on nothing more than yards from scrimmage, but trot it out there if you like. I guess it makes you feel better. The Saints and the Chiefs are in the top five in total offense. They are a combined 2-8. Total points--you're right--we have scored a lot of points so far this season. An excellent trend. If only we could play good offensive and defense during the same game. 1st downs per game? The Saints, the Chiefs and the Lions are all in the top ten. The offensive statistics can be used to make almost any argument you'd like--they are too unreliable and don't show enough to really be relevant. I focused particularly on 3rd down conversion rate because it's such a glaring inconsistency with the argument that Kyle is a good OC. Good OCs don't finish at or near the bottom in 3rd down conversions year after year.

Shanahan was hired by his dad at the age of 28 to run the Skins offense. He was and probably still is the youngest OC on the job. Maybe one day he will be the best OC of all time, but he is learning on the job. And the team will have to suffer through his growing pains. That's not the type of position that a head coach should put a team in. He hasn't even had 10 years of coaching experience, AT ANY LEVEL let alone the NFL.

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Please tell us what his overall gameplan is. You have absolutely no idea what it is - gameplans change once the game starts and you see what the defense gives you. Of course you know what the perfect call would have been after the fact, but you make the best call available in the game.

I swear there are people here who think his playsheet has columns that are labeled "Touchdown plays", "Turnovers", "Plays that don't work", and "OK plays", and that he calls just from the "Don't work" and "OK" columns.

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The ball wasn't secured. He caught it, but as he was tucking it it got jostled, so he had to bring his other hand in to keep it from popping out. When he hit the ground it came out anyway. It was the right call.

I didn't realize you were the all-seeing, all-knowing oracle of football. I never presumed to know the specifics of his gameplan--we can only comment on the plays we see called on the field. But, as I've said many times, there was seemingly no rhyme or reason to his playcalling. The toss plays to Morris were incredibly effective, but they weren't used to set anything up. Instead of rolling RGIII out of the pocket, which we should do every single game, we had him stationary in the pocket, and it's part of the reason that he got destroyed on a corner blitz early in the game which was a drive killer. The reverse to Hankerson was really one of the worst play calls I've seen in a while. Most likely an example of Kyle sayin--"Let's go with the reverse to our slowest WR--they'll never expect that." Kyle gets way too cute with the play calling when what he should be doing is pounding the rock with Morris and playing old school smash mouth football, and then letting RGIII work out of PA. There's no need for the razzle-dazzle with this team. But, he seeming cannot help himself. On the 3rd and 2 in the redzone he calls a slow moving off tackle toss to Morris. A run up the gut, or a read option to RGIII would have been much better calls. Yes, this is partly an analysis done with the benefit of hindsight, but the playcalling just isn't anywhere close to where it should be.