Do you Feel the cause of R3G getting hurt is due to Kyles game plan, run run run.

[skins4eva]

Oh, you mean the Banks option that opened up the offense the next week? Right, that had no benefit. Or the fake reverse to Morgan (slower than Hankerson) which opened up Hankerson deep? Yeah, I'd hate to see more of that.

We use essentially one type of run - zone runs. The toss and stretch are both out of the zone blocking concept. We don't run up the middle well, because that's not the strength of the run game. The zone blocking game is designed around offensive flow (get the line flowing one direction, and then have the RB find the hole the develops naturally and cut into it), not the Joe Gibbs ground and pound, where holes are forced open. So, in being more "creative", you want us to go away from what works well and do the stuff that doesn't work?

You're not making much sense.

Ok--good debate. I'm moving on. You've made your points well. I didn't say there was no room for running trick plays, btw--I said he gets cute at the wrong time. I don't understand how some of you can possibly defend Kyle's playcalling during his tenure here, but to each their own.

[Hitman21ST]

How do you know it doesn't work? Have you seen us do it? Have we even tried it? You can't assume it away simply because it doesn't fit in to the traditional zone blocking scheme. Go back and look at the zone running scheme from Denver. They ran out of the I formation all the time with a lead blocker. The zone blocking scheme we employ in no way limits our ability to run out of different formations other than the single back set. I'm surprised you'd even make that argument.

Because the few times we tried running up the gut yesterday, Morris got stopped for no gain or a loss. That's how I know it didn't work, because it didn't work.

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Ok--good debate. I'm moving on. You've made your points well. I didn't say there was no room for running trick plays, btw--I said he gets cute at the wrong time. I don't understand how some of you can possibly defend Kyle's playcalling during his tenure here, but to each their own.

I don't understand how you can't acknowledge the good he's done, but to each his own.

What time is a good time to run a trick play then?

[PigSkinRodeo]

As much as i love RG3 like the rest of the Skins fans here. He made a mistake. he had 2 options Run out of bounds or Throw the ball away. He choose neither and the end result is what it is. I wish him a good recovery but he has to start thinking about his safety just as much. Him taking punishment when he doens't have to will hurt this team. And i feel after all this he'll finally know that. Griff is a important key on this team and we need him on the field not off. Just my

[Zazzaro703]

Not a play call I like I will agree, especially in goal to go, but with the defense having to account for RGIII who ran outside RT the hope was a defender would follow him and it would open a crease for Morris up the middle. It di dnot quite work but we got positive yardage. It was hardly some weird left field call.

I do agree that we need to start taking the training wheels off RGIII more (assuming he is OK to play Sunday). We took the ball out of his hands too much Sunday IMO. Need to open up the passing game more and let RGIII deliver - he has so far. But complaining RGIII got hurt because we run too much in a game in which he had ONE run and was hurt on a play which was a called pass and in which he scrambled seems, well, strange.

Agree assuming the last part was in general because I felt we didn't have enough designed runs for Robert. Like i said before I'm mostly happy with the Shanahan side of the ball. I just picked out two plays out of the 50 I thought really sucked in hindsight lol.

[RandyHolt]

I think we all saw Kyle eased off plays from recent weeks in which he got hit far too often. So minimizing risk for III is on his radar, at least to me. Gone is the option, for instance. Kyle could certainly add plays that further minimize QB injury risks. Realize our OL is... dangerous. And leads to him scrambling. I dont blame him for the injury, but there are plays we abstain from ever using, that may help him survive as a rookie. Used around the league for decades and shunned here, the end zone fade. We finally have the tall boys now, to do it. Try it!

[NLC1054]

How do you know it doesn't work? Have you seen us do it? Have we even tried it? You can't assume it away simply because it doesn't fit in to the traditional zone blocking scheme. Go back and look at the zone running scheme from Denver. They ran out of the I formation all the time with a lead blocker. The zone blocking scheme we employ in no way limits our ability to run out of different formations other than the single back set. I'm surprised you'd even make that argument.

But we do run out of different formations.

We run the zone read, we run the single back pistol, we run the pistol with the fullback, we run I-formation with Darrel Young, we run the triple option.

It seems more like what you want us to do is what Gibbs did; run I-formation, pound it up the gut and play action off that. That's not the way our offense is designed to operate.

[skins4eva]

Because the few times we tried running up the gut yesterday, Morris got stopped for no gain or a loss. That's how I know it didn't work, because it didn't work.

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I don't understand how you can't acknowledge the good he's done, but to each his own.

We ran out of the single back set without a FB blocking into the gut. We didn't run out of a power formation, which is certainly possible, even with a zone blocking scheme. See Denver.

What good has Kyle done? Seriously, am I missing something? Is this the twilight zone? Is our combined record during his tenure as OC not 13-24? Have we finished anywhere other than last place in the division during Kyle's time here? Now obviously, this is not all his fault, and he's certainly not responsible for the players he inherited. We drafted our franchise QB; we drafted a stud RB; we signed some receivers who we think (hope) will be an upgrade. I'm perfectly willing to sit back and watch him work this season. But, I don't understand what he's done to deserve the benefit of the doubt. His time in Houston? That was Kubiak all the way. That's like saying Josh McDaniels was the key to the Patriots offensive attack. He hasn't shown me anything. We still have a losing record; he still abandons the run, and we still find ways to lose games instead of finding ways to win.

[Hooper]

RG has probably got hit less than 3/4 of the QBS in the league the past two weeks. Kid just needs to learn when to give up on a play and get out of bounds.

And Kyle is doing a great job.

[RandyHolt]

I do think this offense lacks identity. And it starts with the father son duo both having their styles, yet one or the other having to concede to the other. Its tough to single out Kyle for any of our offensive woes, when Mike seems to care less about pass protection, and cares more about zone run blocking abilities. Its a pass league now, but Iron Mike wants to run a little more than Kyle does. While I personally like a dynamic offense,I think the two Shanny's are ironing out their differences. We dont know who calls what.

[Skinz4Life12]

I know it sounds crazy, but our OL is the best in the division by a wide margin. RG3 has not faced more pressure than the average QB the past two weeks. Vick, Romo, and Eli are under duress more.

Eli always seems to have all day to throw. Didn't see the game yesterday, but I watched him play against Carolina and he had all day on every throw

[Hooper]

Realize our OL is... dangerous. And leads to him scrambling.

I know it sounds crazy, but our OL is the best in the division by a wide margin. RG3 has not faced more pressure than the average QB the past two weeks. Vick, Romo, and Eli are under duress more.

[NLC1054]

We ran out of the single back set without a FB blocking into the gut. We didn't run out of a power formation, which is certainly possible, even with a zone blocking scheme. See Denver.

What good has Kyle done? Seriously, am I missing something? Is this the twilight zone? Is our combined record during his tenure as OC not 13-24? Have we finished anywhere other than last place in the division during Kyle's time here? Now obviously, this is not all his fault, and he's certainly not responsible for the players he inherited. We drafted our franchise QB; we drafted a stud RB; we signed some receivers who we think (hope) will be an upgrade. I'm perfectly willing to sit back and watch him work this season. But, I don't understand what he's done to deserve the benefit of the doubt. His time in Houston? That was Kubiak all the way. That's like saying Josh McDaniels was the key to the Patriots offensive attack. He hasn't shown me anything. We still have a losing record; he still abandons the run, and we still find ways to lose games instead of finding ways to win.

Okay. Besides the fact that what you're saying about us not using fullbacks isn't true or not running power isn't true, I have a question.

Where were you when the defense was sucking it up the last couple weeks? I mean, they played a solid game on Sunday, but were you as hard as Jim Haslett as you're being on Kyle Shanahan right now?

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I know it sounds crazy, but our OL is the best in the division by a wide margin. RG3 has not faced more pressure than the average QB the past two weeks. Vick, Romo, and Eli are under duress more.

Anyone who thinks our offensive line is awful isn't paying attention. We've got a high number of quarterback hits, but RG3 scrambles, QB hits will happen.

If you can watch anyone in our division play and still say our offensive line sucks then I don't now what to tell you.

[Hitman21ST]

Okay. Besides the fact that what you're saying about us not using fullbacks isn't true or not running power isn't true, I have a question.

Where were you when the defense was sucking it up the last couple weeks? I mean, they played a solid game on Sunday, but were you as hard as Jim Haslett as you're being on Kyle Shanahan right now?

No, because Haslett isn't here solely because of nepotism.

/sarcasm

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

Kyle has been a little too conservative the last two weeks IMO. And NO it is not why RG3 got hurt. But yes too conservative on the play calling.

[Mooka]

Nope. Not at all. RG3 needs to learn how to protect the football. Tie game, 3rd quarter. Those 3 points are important.

That bunch formation in the red zone, you could tell the play was boom or bust. I was watching the game at the SportsBook in Vegas and like 5 different people were screaming at RG3 to protect the ball and not take chances there. What resulted was an injury, but could've just as easily been a turnover.