Should Kyle still be calling our plays on offense?

[TheGreatBuzz]

No, I don't think so. He's been calling way too many of the "get the ball beyond the first down marker and drop it" and the "roll out and refuse to throw the ball away, taking a big hit" plays, and not nearly enough of the "score a touchdown" plays for my tastes.

Yea! What a stupid OC. Why doesn't he just go out and call one of those "score a touchdown" plays every play? We would be at the Super Bowl for sure then! /sarcasm

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

You know what,I can't deny it anymore. This fanbase has gone full retard

[SKINSFAN87]

Yes, now can we stop with these silly threads

[DCsportsfan53]

And this is Kyle's fault how? Maybe Robert is going through his reads and doesn't have a receiver open.

Pretty sure your sarcasm meter just failed you.

You know what,I can't deny it anymore. This fanbase has gone full retard

You sir are not lying.

[Enter Apotheosis]

Pretty sure your sarcasm meter just failed you.

That's putting it mildly.

[skins island connection]

I am not the biggest Kyle fan by any stretch; IMO his experience in the NFL doesn't really qualify him to be an OC, BUT;
I will admit he has gotten better, and its not the playcalling so much as the execution, or lack of for that matter, thats the problem. Watch certain receivers on plays; half-ass running routes, not attempting to sell the route one bit when they know the ball isn't coming their way. Hankerson is guilty of this alot.

Of course receivers actually 'catching' the ball would help too, as well as getting open and not running INTO coverage. With a less than good o-line on passing downs, there's only so much time to hold the ball, and at some point RGIII has to either move or run out of the pocket; as he does this, you see alot of receivers more or less stop to see whats going on.

Its still a very young season, and things can change in an instant; i'm not expecting it quickly, but there are other obvious changes that need to be made, but Kyle's playcalling isn't one of them...yet...

SIC

[NLC1054]

Pretty sure your sarcasm meter just failed you.
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Sorry, im on my phone and trying to weed through the crazy.

[DCsportsfan53]

Sorry, im on my phone and trying to weed through the crazy.

Don't have to look hard to find that, it's everywhere you look.

[grego]

Threads like this reassure me that im not going crazy. Not yet anyway.

It seems like every week there are the strangest calls. A few posters really hit the nail on the head with some of the head scratchers.

Put me down for not getting why people go nuts when you question his calls. Then again, the same thing happened with haynesworth and mcnabb

[Duckus]

Maybe so, but I've felt that way since day one. Your obviously entitled to your own opinion, and I respect it, but Kyle S is and has been in way over his head.

From day one you had an opinion. You formulated a negative opinion on KS before he even coached a pre-season game. Based on your own words, you never gave him a chance.

[PorkSkins]

I for one am not onboard for giving the Shananigans a free ride this year. The dad found a gem in Morris and bet the farm on RGIII. Both dad and son neglected to go after quality offensive lineman. RGIII had been lucky to this point and it was only a matter of time before he was going to get knocked out. I don't want another MV. I hope he learned his lesson and makes better choices. We aren't going to win many games with a running QB.

[Duckus]

You know what,I can't deny it anymore. This fanbase has gone full retard

The scary part is the scale. After any loss there are a handful a retards. Today it seems like hundreds.

[MustangSteve]

Kyle's hiring has smacked of nepotism from day one; I've seen nothing during his tenure here to suggest he should be our O-coordinator, We have been among the worst in the league on 3rd down during his tenure. But, more fundamentally, he seems to have no real feel for the flow of the game, which is something that any NFL caliber playcaller should possess in spades. I'm not calling for his head, because it isn't realistic to think anything will change, but I don't think he's the right man for the job, and I think Mike S. made a bad move bringing his son in.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

I don't really like the play calling we've had for all of Mike's tenure here. They tend to get away from things that work, and try to be too cute with quick screens, end arounds, and sometimes the often/read dive offensive looks this year. If you look at the way we were running the ball you have to wonder why we weren't going heavy with a mix of playaction bootlegs today. There were two I remember and one of them was the injury play which came at what? 3rd and 7 or 8? The purpose of a bootleg is simple: you are somewhat effective calling in on 1st down, 2nd and less than 6, or 3rd and short. That is about it. I don't know why we would bother playfaking and rolling out a QB on 3rd and long when they know we're passing and we would have to be idiots to run the ball. When we're breaking off 4,5,6+ yards each run and gashing a defense like that, we should always be going to a play action boot on 2nd and medium/short. We should almost always be running out of 3 WR or 2WR 2 TE single back sets. This gives us a lot of flexability when it comes to showing a team the same look and running a different play out of it. Why would we run a run 5 times out of one formation and then run our pass out of a different one? I saw plenty of that today as well. Also on these playaction passes we should almost always be sending somebody deep on either a deep cross or post and give the QB 2 other short options minimum. With the way we were running today there is no reason why we couldn't come out, run Morris to the left and fake a boot for 6 yards, come out on 2nd down and run a similar run play bootleg with Pierre Garcon doing a deep cross from left to right. The way their safeties were sticking their noses into the box after Morris was gashing them we likely could have hit on some big ones and if we didn't and completed for a 1st down to Fred Davis underneath, come back out the next play and run a similar pattern on 1st down and see if we can get it.

It just seems we're doing obvious things in obvious situations, and then when a situation calls for us to do the obvious thing, to not **** around, and to just get the tough yards the old fashioned way, that's usually when we get cute with some stupid play that takes a lot of effort to ultimately do nothing.

Even though I strongly support Kyle and I think most of the people who call for his head are morons, I believe this is a VERY valid critique of Kyle's performance as an OC and playcaller, summed up with these words: We get too cute. There's a great deal to be said for just making the safe, obvious, common sense play, but I think Kyle Shanahan basically outsmarts himself at times and tries to dial up a flashy, complex play that doesn't really work out. Kyle needs to know just *WHEN* to bust out the fakes and the trickery, and to know when to keep it simple and ride the hot hand until it goes cold. Kyle needs to know that a 2nd and 5 should dictate, as the above says, a 2 TE 2 WR set or something along those lines where you can either go PA or just run it for a 3rd and short.

Kyle is a young OC still - he's only been in the NFL since 2004, and an OC since 2008. The guy is all of 32 years old. I think he's already a brilliant schemer and has designed an effective and creative offense with lots of tools and weapons in the arsenal. His offenses have generally been effective, especially in the passing game. But he needs to learn when to use what on a more consistent basis.

[chaaarmndr]

The answer you're looking for is YES.

Yeah pretty much, stupid thread can we get a nnt? Hell yeah?