Should Kyle still be calling our plays on offense?

[texasthunder]

I think Kyle does a good job of calling plays, and I like some of the wrinkles he throws out there.
As one poster said, there is not a lot of tape out there of Robert running the Redskins offense, so with what we have
done he has done is hopefully make the tape very long as so that future defenses cannot guage our predictability.

So yes I do believe that Kyle should continue calling plays, and hopefully some of our players will execute them a lot
more effeciently.

[NLC1054]

Prior to Kyle coming here the "knock" on him was he was a pass first OC they didn't have the plays to grind it. If you notice they have a RB down there that is pretty good the running game also didn't blossom until Kyle left.

...do you mean "called more run plays"? I think there's a difference between added and called. Kubiak didn't add more run plays; he called more run plays. You make it sound like Kyle left those plays out.

I'll also remind everyone that Kyle turned Steve Slaton into a 1,000+ yard rusher (1,282 yards and 9 touchdowns on the ground) his first year as OC and in 2009 the four running backs Houston had to use because of injuries and what not combined for 1,351 yards and 13 touchdowns.

Kubiak didn't suddenly make the run game better. Arian Foster wasn't even activated until the final four games of the season, and Kyle had no problem running the ball with him.

[HAILSKINSNYC]

I thought the offensive game plan was atrocious against Atlanta....How can you run the ball that well and not take any chances downfield and only run one bootleg? Don't tell me about the 3rd down conversions...where were the bootlegs and passes down field on early downs?

[darrelgreenie]

My biggest fear is that we're going to grind Morris to a nub. Royster isn't entirely healthy, and Ryan Grant is still learning.

I was hoping for bringing up Javarris from the practice squad or raiding other show teams for Davin Meggett or Boom Herron.

[NLC1054]

I thought the offensive game plan was atrocious against Atlanta....How can you run the ball that well and not take any chances downfield and only run one bootleg? Don't tell me about the 3rd down conversions...where were the bootlegs and passes down field on early downs?

So the play action passes didn't matter, then?

Ugh...I need to get my hands on the All 22 to prove this whole "we don't design plays to attack down field" thing is bull...

[MLSKINS]

My biggest fear is that we're going to grind Morris to a nub. Royster isn't entirely healthy, and Ryan Grant is still learning. (It's why I wanted Slaton here, but something about him is turning teams off.)

That's what happened with Helu last season. We ground Helu into the dirt with the way we were running him. You can't just run a guy over and over again, and you have to pass eventually.

I hear you on this. I was pissed that Morris only had 18 carries. Then I calmed down because I realized that Kyle didn't want to run him that much. I hope Grant steps up or Royster gets healthy because we need to run the ball more. I understand it is a passing team, but yesterday we only had 21 carries as a team. We should have had 30 plus.

[NLC1054]

I hear you on this. I was pissed that Morris only had 18 carries. Then I calmed down because I realized that Kyle didn't want to run him that much. I hope Grant steps up or Royster gets healthy because we need to run the ball more. I understand it is a passing team, but yesterday we only had 21 carries as a team. We should have had 30 plus.

10 of those carries would be RG3, and everyone would complain that we ran Robert too much,

[grego]

...do you mean "called more run plays"? I think there's a difference between added and called. Kubiak didn't add more run plays; he called more run plays. You make it sound like Kyle left those plays out..

there is no question that there have been times when kyle has gotten pass happy. i started having concerns after the first dallas game last year. i believe we finished the game with something like 16 passes and 3 runs and that was mostly with a lead. and rex grossman at QB. i was pretty bitter after that game.

its very frustrating when your RB has almost 100 yards at nearly 9 yards a carry and you have zero offensive points to show for it.

but i realize it could have been a different story has our WR's not dropped so many third down passes, (which is another area we need to improve. we should struggle so much on third with the QB we have).

the offense has gone into hibernation at times this season. second half vs both the rams and bengals. most of the game yesterday. its fair to question the playcalling. but we also cant be throwing out things that arent true, like kyle has never been on OC before, was only hired cuz his did is here, got RG3 hurt cuz he ran him too much, etc.

hopefully, it gets turned around.

[darrelgreenie]

Don't tell me about the 3rd down conversions...where were the bootlegs and passes down field on early downs?

3rd down conversion rate is clearly an issue.
Kyle's offenses are usually very productive on 1st downs (YPP).
The rub is his risk taking on 1st down that results in the high YPP is also the same risk taking that can create 3rd and long.

[NLC1054]

there is no question that there have been times when kyle has gotten pass happy. i started having concerns after the first dallas game last year. i believe we finished the game with something like 16 passes and 3 runs and that was mostly with a lead. and rex grossman at QB. i was pretty bitter after that game.

That's a perfect example of what I mean when I say Kyle is damned if we do, damned if we don't.

We were up by less than a field goal in that game right? The last few weeks I've seen people complain that Kyle doesn't play aggressive enough with a lead and that we should go for the juggular instead of run with a lead...

Which is a stark change from last year when, if we had any sort of lead late in a game, people were screaming their heads off for Kyle to stop throwing it and just hand it off, whether the run game was productive or not.

There's always going to be times when an offense doesn't tear up the field. It happens to the best offenses. Look at the Saints over the last few weeks. Look at the Patriots; they got down versus the Buffalo friggin' Bills. Blow outs and offense just destroying teams are rarer than people treat it.

At one point Morris was basically an arm tackle away from the end zone.

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

That's a perfect example of what I mean when I say Kyle is damned if we do, damned if we don't.

This sums up my feelings perfectly. I think Kyle calls a great game. Hell, even last year we had guys open all over the place despite our lack of speed on the outside.

There might be a play here and there that I don't agree with, but I would say that his "head scratcher" calls have been virtually non-existent.

The bottom line is simple. Just win, and all of this sort of bickering will go away.

[authentic]

That's a perfect example of what I mean when I say Kyle is damned if we do, damned if we don't.

We were up by less than a field goal in that game right? The last few weeks I've seen people complain that Kyle doesn't play aggressive enough with a lead and that we should go for the juggular instead of run with a lead...

Which is a stark change from last year when, if we had any sort of lead late in a game, people were screaming their heads off for Kyle to stop throwing it and just hand it off, whether the run game was productive or not.

There's always going to be times when an offense doesn't tear up the field. It happens to the best offenses. Look at the Saints over the last few weeks. Look at the Patriots; they got down versus the Buffalo friggin' Bills. Blow outs and offense just destroying teams are rarer than people treat it.

At one point Morris was basically an arm tackle away from the end zone.

i've had NO issue with the way Kyle calls his plays, especially this season, out side of one or 2 plays.. But, what i like about Kyle is that he has balls and he's not predictable. I've always said, get the dude some talent and you will see this offense finally take over. The only thing holding us back at this point (from being an elite) is that we're not good at pass pro. But run blocking has been pretty dog'on good.

[MLSKINS]

10 of those carries would be RG3, and everyone would complain that we ran Robert too much,

True that. I am not saying run RG3 more though. I am just talking about regular running plays.

Oh yeah, that direct BS was lame. Even if it did work, I would have said the same thing. On the goal line we need to start pounding stuff.

[grego]

That's a perfect example of what I mean when I say Kyle is damned if we do, damned if we don't.

in that game, we werent doing much of anything offensively. until we went on a 76 yard drive where we started running if effectively after getting nothing the first half. that put us up by 7.

for me, its not a matter of second guessing after the fact. its watching a game and saying 'what is he doing?'. there is, at time, no rhythm at all to the offense. like some have said, its like he's picking plays out of a hat, rather than having a plan. or, when somethings clearly not working, he doesnt seem to adapt til its too late.

the NO game was brilliant. no question.

i'd just like to see a complete game where we play well offensively for 60 minutes.

[NLC1054]

Oh yeah, that direct BS was lame. Even if it did work, I would have said the same thing. On the goal line we need to start pounding stuff.

If that worked no one would complain about it because it would've worked, period. Let's not lie, dude; if Morris barrels his way into the end zone on that play, would you really be sitting on your couch llike "harrumph, what a weird play call". Or would it be "WOOOOOOOOOOOOO! TOUCHDOWN FROMO!! TOUCHDOWN!". Lol. Let's just be honest is all I'm saying.

We don't have a "ground and pound" o-line. I wasn't wild about the playcall, but if it worked, none of us would be complaining. In fact, there would be more people complaining we didn't do it more on the goal line the next time if we just got in an I-formation and got stuffed.