One of the Redskins BIGGEST continued failings, both sides of the ball: 3rd down conversions/ stops.

[darrelgreenie]

Gotta run, (dinner party with non-football watchers) but I'm interested in your take of his opinion.

-Hail

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Not sure if I'm missing this dg. I've listened to Greg's slots from the previous two Wednesady's (3 and 10 of October); and the only brief comment he made was on 3rd down being the all important money down and how we need to improve in that area drastically.

Was there more?

Hail.

[darrelgreenie]

Greg Cosell, Oct 10 @ 01:03

Q:Any Idea why the Redskins are so bad on 3rd dwn?

I think quite frankly their pass game is very run-action based and I think its a very simple pass game. Which by the way most rookie QBs run a fairly simple pass game. So I think they struggle when they have longer yardage situations. I don't think they're difficult to defend conceptually. And I think that's just a function of what they have, their offense is really..its a base run game and a simple pass game that features play action with either or reads. Which is very smart by Shanahan but on 3rd and long that's very difficult to do.

[superozman]

Alright - I think i tracked this right. Versus the Vikings, the Skins were 7 of 12 on 3rd downs, 7 for their last 8!

Again - Santana looks to be the go to guy on 3rd downs, and I'm very happy to see them give the ball to Morris on a few. He only converted one before today.

3rd and 17 – 7 yard pass to Royster
3rd and 3 – Interception
3rd and 8 – 5 yard pass to Moss
3rd and 13 – Incomplete pass
3rd and 4 – 5 yard pass to Moss
3rd and goal (1) – Morris 1 yard TD
3rd and 1 – Morris 1 yard run
3rd and 11 – RGIII 15 yard run (plus 5 yard penalty)
3rd and 2 – RGIII 4 yard run
3rd and 11 – RGIII 8 yard run
3rd and 1 – Morris -3 yard run
3rd and 11 – RGIII 76 yard TD run

[darrelgreenie]

^^Thanks for that.

I'll try to post the formations used on those conversions.
But, Griffin seems to be the answers to all questions.

[darrelgreenie]

3rd and 17 – 7 yard pass to Royster
Bunch Right, Shotgun
Play: RB screen (L) give up play

WR.....................T..G..C..G..T........TE..WR
.................................................. ..........FL
....................................Q..RB......... ......

3rd and 3 – Interception
Bunch Left, FL motion Right
PA-zone read boot left w/ WR shallow cross

WR..WR.................T..G..C..G..T....TE.......
.................................................. ............FL
........................................Q..RB..... ............

Looked like Morgan was open early on the crosser (can't tell without all-22)
Griffin could likely have ran for the 1st had he taken a more acute/direct angle

3rd and 8 – 5 yard pass to Moss
All WR Pistol
Read option shovel pass to Moss

WR...................T..G..C..G..T.............WR
.................................................. .......................FL
............................89..Q................. ......................
..................................16

On 3rd and 8 would rather see Griffin pass from PA or straight then his options limited to a shovel pictch read

3rd and 13 – Incomplete pass
Spread 2x2
Zone-read shovel pass

..................WR...........T..G..C..G..T...... ........WR
FL................................................ ..................................FL
...................................46.....Q

Another 'managed' play on 3rd down where Griffin is confined to a shovel pitch read.
This is my favorite formation too, I would much rather see Griffin pass from action or just drop back and read his progressions