wesh.com: Westgate CEO David Siegal Letter to Employees

[Prosperity]

I'm perfectly fine with threatening employees and warning them of consequences, my only issue is with empty threats

trust me, you've got plenty of issues

[Dan T.]

The thing that gets me is the similarity if not downright plagiarism of a chain letter. If you can't form a reasoned argument without copying a stupid ******* chain letter..... I don't care how much money you have.... You might be a moron.

It would be laughable if not for the sleazy, barely legal use of fear of loosing their job to intimidate his employees to vote the way he wants. ***hole.

I sort of agree with this. Almost the entire letter echoes the chain letter, which appeared as early as 2008. So your hearfelt political views are cloned from some stupid fake letter from 4 years ago?

[SnyderShrugged]

Is TWA a troll or is he really this willfully ignorant?

As far as I can tell, he is a principled and respected poster that happens to have conservative (albeit neo-con) ideals and he isnt ashamed to speak on them here despite his being surrounded by a vast majority of folks who disagree with him.

I dont share too much in common with him, but I do take exception to his constantly being called a "troll" unfairly because he doesn't share your perspective.

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The timeshare business is built on highly manipulative selling and very dubious commercial practices where true costs and value are hidden from the buyer.

Payday loans are legalized extortion, preying on some of the most vulnerable in society.

What about timeshare sellers who dont use those practices? Is it really fair to claim an entire industry is as bad as you claim? There are no good people working in it at all?

The same goes for payday loans. Isnt it simply providing a short term loan for someone who needs it? How is it extortion?

I dont understand your perspective on either. To be honest, I suspected it was just an opinionated rant when I first asked and you havent done anything to change my opinion on it.

[Larry]

Really. Do you absolutely HAVE to defend every right wing douchbag?

Do you HAVE to even ask?

If so, you might want to look for better material. This comeback was really stupid.

I bet it goes over really well, in the right target audience.

[Prosperity]

As far as I can tell, he is a principled and respected poster that happens to have conservative (albeit neo-con) ideals and he isnt ashamed to speak on them here despite his being surrounded by a vast majority of folks who disagree with him.

I dont share too much in common with him, but I do take exception to his constantly being called a "troll" unfairly because he doesn't share your perspective.

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What about timeshare sellers who dont use those practices? Is it really fair to claim an entire industry is as bad as you claim? There are no good people working in it at all?

The same goes for payday loans. Isnt it simply providing a short term loan for someone who needs it? How is it extortion?

I dont understand your perspective on either. To be honest, I suspected it was just an opinionated rant when I first asked and you havent done anything to change my opinion on it.

how can you claim that someone is a respected poster while at the same time bemoaning how often they are called a troll?

[SnyderShrugged]

how can you claim that someone is a respected poster while at the same time bemoaning how often they are called a trolled?

Because there are a lot of posters here and some can be described in each category.

[twa]

how can you claim that someone is a respected poster while at the same time bemoaning how often they are called a troll?

Would you like to revisit some of the things you were called in the past and their validity?

Getting back on topic....

Why is it wrong for him to exert what influence he has as long as he stays within the law?

Is it because he is rich and successful?...or is the concept wrong?

Unions and others do it all the time and worse

[Corcaigh]

What about timeshare sellers who dont use those practices? Is it really fair to claim an entire industry is as bad as you claim? There are no good people working in it at all?

The same goes for payday loans. Isnt it simply providing a short term loan for someone who needs it? How is it extortion?

I dont understand your perspective on either. To be honest, I suspected it was just an opinionated rant when I first asked and you havent done anything to change my opinion on it.

In general, the timeshare and payday industries are rife with very questionable and unethical business practices. Misleading advertising and selling, opaque terms and conditions, and aggressive collection are the norm in these industries. There may be good businesses, but that doesn't give the whole industry a free pass.

[The Evil Genius]

Would you like to revisit some of the things you were called in the past and their validity?

Getting back on topic....

Why is it wrong for him to exert what influence he has as long as he stays within the law?

Is it because he is rich and successful?...or is the concept wrong?

Unions and others do it all the time and worse

First off, unions and others are wrong when they do it also. That said, they are not directly capable of influencing the employment of said employee. It's especially wrong for this guy to skirt the state & federal election law because of the position he holds in the company.

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Even more so in at will states where no reason has to be given for termination.

[Prosperity]

Would you like to revisit some of the things you were called in the past and their validity?

Getting back on topic....

Why is it wrong for him to exert what influence he has as long as he stays within the law?

Is it because he is rich and successful?...or is the concept wrong?

Unions and others do it all the time and worse

Would it be wrong if Soros bought out Texas and told y'all to vote for Obama or else he'd fire you and replace you with Mexicans?

[hunterx]

No way for this guy to tell how his employees vote. If I worked for his company and read this letter, I would be proud to vote for Obama in spite of him. I'm not going to let some corporate executive or CEO--who makes more per day than I make per year--tell me which candidate would be better for me.

[SnyderShrugged]

In general, the timeshare and payday industries are rife with very questionable and unethical business practices. Misleading advertising and selling, opaque terms and conditions, and aggressive collection are the norm in these industries. There may be good businesses, but that doesn't give the whole industry a free pass.

but does it mean to indict the whole industry instead?

any of those items you mention should be prosecution by law arent they? I would think they wouldnt last long as a business if they were partaking in any of the illegal actions. (I dont see a problem with some of what you called out either btw, aggressive collections being one of the items. If you borrow you gotta pay it back under the terms you agreed to, thats the way it works)

[twa]

First off, unions and others are wrong when they do it also. That said, they are not directly capable of influencing the employment of said employee. It's especially wrong for this guy to skirt the state & federal election law because of the position he holds in the company.

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Even more so in at will states where no reason has to be given for termination.

I think you are wrong about their ability(unions), but perhaps you have more knowledge of them

Skirting law is not breaking it, and as you point out there are numerous protections in place to protect employees

[Corcaigh]

any of those items you mention should be prosecution by law arent they? I would think they wouldnt last long as a business if they were partaking in any of the illegal actions.

There's a huge difference between illegal versus and misleading & unethical. In the USA we tolerate way too much of the latter. In any given week, for example I get mailers related to car warranties, or the websites I own, that are intended to mislead through their use of language. None of them are illegal. They are all dishonest and shady.

(I dont see a problem with some of what you called out either btw, aggressive collections being one of the items.

I think we understand the difference between collections and aggressive collections. Because of their practices, payday loans are illegal in some jurisdictions.

[Predicto]

As far as I can tell, he is a principled and respected poster that happens to have conservative (albeit neo-con) ideals and he isnt ashamed to speak on them here despite his being surrounded by a vast majority of folks who disagree with him.

I dont share too much in common with him, but I do take exception to his constantly being called a "troll" unfairly because he doesn't share your perspective.

Come on, that isn't why he's called a troll.

Very few people agree with your perspective SS, but no one ever calls you a troll. That's because you don't troll people, you just disagree with them. There is a difference.