Redskins Park: Quotes - Mike Shanahan

[DaSkinzBaby]

Have you ever had a foot injury?

No, of course not...

Actually I have had several foot and ankle injuries. But I guess at what 25 years old and 4.637 posts you know everything right....

[Skinz4Life12]

Any word if griffin is official? Or will that be a game time decision?

[elkabong82]

Have you ever had a foot injury?

No, of course not...

I could be wrong, but I think a lot of people who criticize players who are injured have either never played or coached the game themselves and/or have never had to deal with a sports injury themselves hence they come off as over critical and rely on 1 of the 2 same arguments: the player is a wuss or the player gets paid enough to play through, showing a severe lack of understanding for actual impact of injuries.

[thesubmittedone]

I'm sorry but Pierre has about 42 million reasons to suck it up and play at a high level.......

Garcon has already proven to me he's not taking advantage. When he plays the guy goes all out and sacrifices his body like it's nothing. The guy is an absolute killer blocker and will initiate contact when he has the ball in his hands as a runner. That's more than we could say about any WRs we've had in the last how many years?

[elkabong82]

Actually I have had several foot and ankle injuries. But I guess at what 25 years old and 4.637 posts you know everything right....

If he's had sports injuries and you haven't, then in this case yes.

btw, trying to use age to win an argument is pretty lame

I'm 30 and have over 10k posts, so I better meet your "lolifications"

A foot injury, especially in the ball which is where you plant your foot every time when running and cutting, can severely impact your performance. While NFL players recover faster, they also have to perform at a high level, so any lessening of that cuts their performance down. A WR has to rely on speed and cuts, so Garcon is hitting the impacted area every time, all day long, so there's more to it than the overly-simplistic view of "suck it up." This isn't a hang nail.

[Mr. Sinister]

I could be wrong, but I think a lot of people who criticize players who are injured have either never played or coached the game themselves and/or have never had to deal with a sports injury themselves hence they come off as over critical and rely on 1 of the 2 same arguments: the player is a wuss or the player gets paid enough to play through, showing a severe lack of understanding for actual impact of injuries.

Anytime someone makes any kind of statement beginning with "Well he gets paid all this money..." I immediately tune them out. The foot is one of the worst places that a player can get hurt. Unfortunately money can't make people heal faster.

[GWinSkins83]

First of all, let me say that I wish Shanahan would speak regular English and not these half-ass replies that don't seem to make much sense. If I'm understanding this one correctly, then he is asking, "Why would he not be allowed to play as long as he is feeling okay?" Well, for one thing Coach, it hasn't even been a week since your QB got his bell rung and then couldn't even remember the score or the quarter of the game. I can't help but think that putting him back in the game this Sunday might be a little too soon. You're no doctor, and concussions have to be dealt with very carefully. RGIII is fine right now mainly because he has only had one full practice this week and no significant contact. You put him back in the game on Sunday, and the situation will be much different. I think he needs to sit out for one game regardless IMHO.

So baby the crap out him then huh....

[hawgboy]

The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if Coach is leading the world on about Bob playing... That way the Vikings gameplan centers around Griffin and then BAM!...Cousins goes under center.

[NLC1054]

So baby the crap out him then huh....

Robert Griffin III is a special flower! Clearly if he's going to play, we need to wrap him in a cocoon of satin and silk and erect a ten foot wall in front of him, for if he were ever to get it, he would shatter into a million pieces.

[DaSkinzBaby]

If he's had sports injuries and you haven't, then in this case yes.

btw, trying to use age to win an argument is pretty lame

I'm 30 and have over 10k posts, so I better meet your "lolifications"

A foot injury, especially in the ball which is where you plant your foot every time when running and cutting, can severely impact your performance. While NFL players recover faster, they also have to perform at a high level, so any lessening of that cuts their performance down. A WR has to rely on speed and cuts, so Garcon is hitting the impacted area every time, all day long, so there's more to it than the overly-simplistic view of "suck it up." This isn't a hang nail.

Excuse me but I have had sports related foot and ankle my comment was made based on a 42 million dollar contract even if he is out there to be no more than to make the defense think about him would be a asset. Actually whats lame is you acting like you know everything when actually you know nothing about who I am what I have done using age isn't lame because what you fail to understand is in most cases with age comes wisdom....

[wit33]

It really is no use to make assumptions about how an athlete is handling an injury. Every individual is different and injuries themselves are independent to that particular person. We have no clue how much the injury is or is not hurting, so why argue?

Both sides could be right though.

[moondog]

I could be wrong, but I think a lot of people who criticize players who are injured have either never played or coached the game themselves and/or have never had to deal with a sports injury themselves hence they come off as over critical and rely on 1 of the 2 same arguments: the player is a wuss or the player gets paid enough to play through, showing a severe lack of understanding for actual impact of injuries.

Are you not aware that the more money you make, the more pain your body can tolerate? In a game played by professional athletes who are the best at what they do in the world, why would an injury to a guy's foot matter? He just needs to man up. It's not like his job description includes planting, cutting or accelerating quickly, all of which are done through his feet. Besides, if it is slowing him down, it's not like it matters because it's not as if the guys he's playing against are also athletically gifted and can take advantage of his slower play.

(End sarcasm).

These guys' bodies are like fine-tuned high end cars in a race. One thing wrong - even relatively minor issues, and they simply cannot perform as expected or up to the level of those they are competing against. Garcon is one helluva player and I love the pickup, but if he's hurt, he's hurt. It's as simple as that. Nothing leads me to believe he's soft in any way shape or form. In fact, he's our most physically intimidating receiver, both in stature and the way he plays. He doesn't seem to fear anyone and invites contact in the passing and run blocking areas of his game. If he's not playing, it's part him but also part the coaches - why would they send him out there if he can't play at a high level, is going to take snaps from guys that would perform better to help the team on that day, and ultimately delay him from getting back to full health?

I don't understand why it's so difficult for some people to just use logic and common sense...

Edit: Garcon is clearly a guy who is young and hungry to prove himself as he has his whole career. He's a small school guy who made it to the NFL and then proved he deserved playing time and passes from Peyton Manning. Why would anyone question his will to play. Do people really think he's just like "Eh, my foot kinda hurts, I won't play this week."? These guys train their asses off year round and practice every day for a 16 game season. A strong majority of players in the NFL are not going to skip games if they can go, it's not only their livelihood, but it is still a game, and one that they thoroughly enjoy playing.

[worstSeat]

Speaking of quotes, just caught a replay of Shanahan's Coach's Show where he dresses down Charles Mann's "Hot Seat" comments. "That's football 101..." was Shanahan's reply after Mann says they've got to pressure the quarterback more. Ouch. Really highlights the difference between what fans, "analysts" on S-PIN, and even players see versus the coaches.

Strangely, I really like the Coach's Show. I didn't think I would, but Shanahan lets you in just enough to let you know you have no clue how complicated his job is.

[elkabong82]

what you fail to understand is in most cases with age comes wisdom....

Apparently not in your case when you keep asserting that millions of dollars somehow negate an injury or when you have to rely on brining age up in an argument.

Now had you provided details of your experience with injury, at what level, and why that qualifies your opinion on the matter, THEN your age argument would be a "relevant experience" argument, and would actually matter, you know, like the ones myself and NLC were using. We are actually talking about having played sports and understanding the constant pressure Garcon's job is putting on his injury, meanwhile you throw out the contract thing, essentially with the assertion of "sucking it up," use your age as an argument, and then say "I've had ankle/foot injury" before, though ankle injury isn't the same and your previous comments show a severe lack of understanding Garcon's injury.

And throwing out "acting like you know everything" to 2 different posters now who disagree with you on 1 subject, is lame.

and hey, what would Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne know? http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...ollie-garcon-2

[Enter Apotheosis]

Excuse me but I have had sports related foot and ankle my comment was made based on a 42 million dollar contract even if he is out there to be no more than to make the defense think about him would be a asset. Actually whats lame is you acting like you know everything when actually you know nothing about who I am what I have done using age isn't lame because what you fail to understand is in most cases with age comes wisdom....

We have a lot of depth at wide receiver these days. There's no reason to play Garcon when he's really ailing because we have other guys who can get the job done without merely serving as decoys. Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Santana Moss, and Aldrick Robinson are all going to be more dangerous than Pierre Garcon if he's only 75%.

On a different note, wisdom does come with age but how much and what type of wisdom varies pretty dramatically from person to person. It would be foolish of anyone to assume that there isn't someone younger who is also wiser in some ways or that all older persons are necessarily wiser in all ways. The simple fact of the matter is that you're really not representing yourself very well in this thread.