2013 Southeast Division Champions Caps Vs. Rangers

[Popeman38]

Subban > Carlson

We need some sort of a physical presence on our defense. Subban will hit, and he plays with an edge. Which is something Carlson doesn't do.

But you're right...let's keep the roster status quo.

PK Subbanis in no way superior to John Carlson defensively. He is way ahead of him on offense, but for defense Carlson >>>>> Subban.

[RonArtest15]

PK Subbanis in no way superior to John Carlson defensively. He is way ahead of him on offense, but for defense Carlson >>>>> Subban.

Not sure where Carlson stacks up, but read this (from last year)

Nothing more than the Montreal Canadiens best skater

PK Subban is easily among the top-6 defensemen in the NHL under the age of twenty-three. He plays huge minutes on a struggling team, yet has an even traditional plus/minus rating, and the second-highest point total among Montreal Canadiens defensemen. He leads all Habs in total ice-time, and ice-time per-game. He has third-most ice-time on the league's worst powerplay unit, yet also has the fifth most short-handed minutes-played per-game on the NHL's top penalty-killing unit.

Did I mention he was 22-years-old?

Too often the focus is on one mistake when it comes to Subban. Yes, one mistake can change a game. But what about 73 successful plays?

Not only does Subban have the most ice-time, he is also the most involved player on the Canadiens. He engages in 4.32 events per-minute of ice-time. If we multiply that by his ice-time this shows that Subban makes an average of 102 plays per-game that influence puck-possession. No other player on the Habs averages more than 84 events (or plays) per-game. Of those plays, Subban makes 73 plays that acquire or maintain puck-possession, and only 29 that fail to acquire or lose puck-possession.

Rest of article in link

http://www.boucherscouting.com/2012/...y-numbers.html

I think Subban is a much better overall player than Carlson. He's rumored to be available via trade. I'd love to have him here in DC. Even at Carlson OR Alzner's expense.

[Warhead36]

Not gonna judge until at least 20 games are played. Unfortunately that means we may have to bite the bullet and take a step back this year due to the lockout shortened season in order to take two+ steps next year.

[Sticksboi05]

Subban > Carlson

We need some sort of a physical presence on our defense. Subban will hit, and he plays with an edge. Which is something Carlson doesn't do.

But you're right...let's keep the roster status quo.

John Carlson is 23 years old. 23. Just turned...Being asked to be a top pair defenseman in the NHL. Defenseman are late bloomers. It took Al MacInnis till 1999 to win a Norris. After three bad games you want him out? Are you kidding me?

Carlzner will be fine,

[RonArtest15]

John Carlson is 23 years old. 23. Just turned...Being asked to be a top pair defenseman in the NHL. Defenseman are late bloomers. It took Al MacInnis till 1999 to win a Norris. After three bad games you want him out? Are you kidding me?

Carlzner will be fine,

For Subban? 10x outta 10.

Subban is also 23 and a better player.

[OU_skins]

It is a joke this franchise lets Ovechkin keep that C on his jersey the way he conducts himself at practice. That is the few times a week he actually does practice. Optional skate means no skate for AO GR8. When he does practice he can't get back to the locker room fast enough whike everyone else stays out for extra work. Every fan can see it, how can the coaches and management not see it? Unfortunately, stripping him of the C will cause more drama than it may be worth.

[Botched]

It is a joke this franchise lets Ovechkin keep that C on his jersey the way he conducts himself at practice. That is the few times a week he actually does practice. Optional skate means no skate for AO GR8. When he does practice he can't get back to the locker room fast enough whike everyone else stays out for extra work. Every fan can see it, how can the coaches and management not see it? Unfortunately, stripping him of the C will cause more drama than it may be worth.

Not every fan sees it. I was thrashed on here for saying the same thing last year. The guy is a ****ty captain though, plain and simple.

But you're right about stripping the C...unfortunately that may cause Armageddon. We just have to keep hoping that Ovechkin will get his act together.

[Sticksboi05]

I think his engagement will help him off the ice but on the ice, it's clear he doesn't get it. You lead by example with the little things not just saying "let's go" when we are down two goals.

[The Bounty Hunter #21]

Unfortunately, the "C" on Ovechkin's jersey in my mind represents a PR move. A player like Laich would actually deserve being the captain instead.

[Popeman38]

For Subban? 10x outta 10.

Subban is also 23 and a better player.

Better offensively. Look what Carlson & Alzner did against the #1 line of the Rags and Bruins last year. You want to throw that away to get another Mike Green? Before you skoff at that, Green is 6'1 207 lbs. Subban is 6'0 206 lbs. Green had 21 G and 50 A in his firt 3 seasons. Subban has 21 G and 55 A through his first 3 seasons. (Green played 14 more games). Green had 116 PIMs through 3 years. Subban has 245 PIMs in 3 years.

Subban and Green are the same player. If Mike Green had come up with the Montreal Canadians instead of the Washington Capitals, he would be 2x Norris Trophy winner. For those that laugh at that, Erik Karlsson won the Norris last year by putting up the same numbers Green did in 2008-09 & 2009-10. Subban plays in Montreal. EVERYTHING is bigger in Montreal.

[RonArtest15]

Better offensively. Look what Carlson & Alzner did against the #1 line of the Rags and Bruins last year. You want to throw that away to get another Mike Green? Before you skoff at that, Green is 6'1 207 lbs. Subban is 6'0 206 lbs. Green had 21 G and 50 A in his firt 3 seasons. Subban has 21 G and 55 A through his first 3 seasons. (Green played 14 more games). Green had 116 PIMs through 3 years. Subban has 245 PIMs in 3 years.

Subban and Green are the same player. If Mike Green had come up with the Montreal Canadians instead of the Washington Capitals, he would be 2x Norris Trophy winner. For those that laugh at that, Erik Karlsson won the Norris last year by putting up the same numbers Green did in 2008-09 & 2009-10. Subban plays in Montreal. EVERYTHING is bigger in Montreal.

Wait, what? PK Subban is NOT another Mike Green, bro. I'll respectfully...and wholeheartedly disagree with that. If you're only looking at #'s I can see why you came up with that comparison.

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Unfortunately, the "C" on Ovechkin's jersey in my mind represents a PR move. A player like Laich would actually deserve being the captain instead.

Players voted him to have the "C." Also, I don't get the notion as to why Laich would be a better captain? Is it because he always has a quote for the media after games? Is it because he changes tires on the side of the road? I don't get why he's always the go-to guy to be the de-facto captain from a lot of people in the fan base....

---------- Post added January-25th-2013 at 03:00 PM ----------

Unfortunately, the "C" on Ovechkin's jersey in my mind represents a PR move. A player like Laich would actually deserve being the captain instead.

Players voted him to have the "C." Also, I don't get the notion as to why Laich would be a better captain? Is it because he always has a quote for the media after games? Is it because he changes tires on the side of the road? I don't get why he's always the go-to guy to be the de-facto captain from a lot of people in the fan base....

[Popeman38]

Wait, what? PK Subban is NOT another Mike Green, bro. I'll respectfully...and wholeheartedly disagree with that. If you're only looking at #'s I can see why you came up with that comparison.

How are they different? Mike Green is an offensive defensman. PK Subban is an offensive defensman. PK Subban takes a TON of PIMs, from stupid roughing calls to "fighting". His defense is suspect, which is why Montreal paired him with Josh Gorges. He is good on the PP (so is Green) and he plays quite a bit on te PK (as does Green). If you look at PK Subban at even styrength, Carlson is better than him in every defensive category. Yes, Subban is a much better offensive defensman. And his game quite mirror Mike Green.

*I am using Green from before this season, as the year is too young to use for or against.

[RonArtest15]

What are the defensive categories that Carlson is better in? I'm really curious.

[DCsportsfan53]

Not every fan sees it. I was thrashed on here for saying the same thing last year. The guy is a ****ty captain though, plain and simple.

But you're right about stripping the C...unfortunately that may cause Armageddon. We just have to keep hoping that Ovechkin will get his act together.

So our hopes rest on the chances of a wealthy Russian deciding to give a ****....yep, we're screwed

[SpringfieldSkins]

In the argument of PK Subban vs Carlson, I'd say that Subban is the better defenseman. He is set to play against Ovechkin any time the Habs meet the Caps and does a decent job at it. I hate the guy but I'd take him on the team.


As far as Ovechkin as captain, I'd argue that after he started to wear the C is when his productivity started to decline. I also don't think he's a good role model for his team mates to follow. That said, your team's star has to be its captain.