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    Default Why we can't compete until 2014 at the earliest. Maybe 2015. All through little fault of our own.

    Let me preface this by saying I love this long lost feeling of excitement come Sunday that my team is giving me once again. In the main, all down to a dude who far from looking the fresh faced rookie he should; look's more and more like a HoF, all American/ pro 15 year top tier veteran by the game. And I wouldn't take back 'the trade' if my life depended on it. I love the overall direction the HC is taking this team in. With those two men orchestrating things on and off the field, I have NO doubt we WILL return to the promised land.

    But thanks to 'the trade'; and more so the man who's team we so agonisingly managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory today; it's gona' be at least another two years before we can even compete for post-season play. Let alone think about reaching the top of the mountain for a 4th time.

    Now people will look at that, and doubtless start to question whether Coach Mike should be given that time if it's gona' be at least another two long years of regular season play and nothing else. In the same way the defense is getting lambasted tonight from all angles after throwing away a game we had won.

    But let's put the reality of the situation, not least the defense, in stark black and white figures. And ask yourself, with everything else to still to attend to; just what Shanahan and co. can realistically be expected to do with one hand tied behind their backs?

    It's no secret, as witnessed again today, we have a shocking defensive secondary. We need two starting, quality safety's, neither of which are currently on staff; and one if not two top tier corners. (Hopefully Minifield turns into something, but he's undrafted and coming off an ACL. So let's not pin too much on his young shoulders.). Throw in the captain and mainstay of the defense, Fletch, is coming to the end of his glorious career and needs replacing (maybe Robinson becomes that guy, maybe not. But he and Riley are not gona' strike any immediate fear into opponents next year), along with depth help; and even Stevie Wonder can see where the teams main problem lies.

    Addressing it however, is easier said than done.

    With no number 1 draft pick for the next two years, a serious need for a quality right tackle on the offensive side of the ball to compliment Trent; and another $ 18 million lost through that B/S cap penalty next year; we are up the metaphoric ' **** creek without a paddle ' until the 2014 season at least.

    As we currently stand, with next years cap projected to be around $ 121 million, and taking into account the dead cap carry over minus the Cooley and doubtless at least Brown release hit, along with the $ 18 million penalty; we are marginally under the cap by around 3 million bucks or so. There's gona' have to be some serious restructuring to allow us to go forward with next years rooks and any cheap additions we can swing. Forget doing anything in FA to address the problem. And then you've players like Santana sat on a $ 6 million hit next year, and Merriweather at $ 3.5 who probably won't be here through age/ value. All of whom, along with others, will need to be replaced with bodies.

    So scream as loud as you want about this player or that coach, or it being 'the same old Redskins save for RGIII' ; but ask yourself in the stark reality of the situation just what they can realistically be expected to do with one hand tied behind their back thanks to the cap B/S and the lack of top picks that had to spent on the once in a lifetime kid under center.

    The progress we're seeing is great. Particularly on the offensive side of the ball. But the progress for the remainder of this year and next at least is gona' slow through little fault of our own.

    Hail.
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    I think you underrate the opportunity to improve the D with later picks and modest FA acquisitions. I will stay patient for sure, but believe we can get our D to the middle of the pack even without 1st rounders. We could also see organic improvement on th team as well.
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    Default Re: Why we can't compete until 2014 at the earliest. Maybe 2015. All through little fault of our own.

    With RG3 we can compete this year.
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    Default Re: Why we can't compete until 2014 at the earliest. Maybe 2015. All through little fault of our own.

    We're competing this year. With RG3, we're in any/every game.

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    Default Re: Why we can't compete until 2014 at the earliest. Maybe 2015. All through little fault of our own.

    Sports is 95% mental. This team has gotten much better as it it has flushed out the bad "juju" of the carry over players. With that said 83, 23 and 89 need to go. This team will not move forward with these divas.


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    Default Re: Why we can't compete until 2014 at the earliest. Maybe 2015. All through little fault of our own.

    Soooo...in 2010...it was "watch out for us in 2011 when we get that QB. 2012 Playoffs. 2013-14 SB."

    In 2011 it was "2012 playoff push with Luck/RGIII..2013-2014 SB"

    Now it's 2015.

    GHH...If this is true then Shanahan failed. Plain and simple. If it's 2015 and we are just ready to compete. He 110% failed.

    Teams turn it around in 2-3 years routinely nowadays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gart Monk View Post
    Sports is 95% mental. This team has gotten much better as it it has flushed out the bad "juju" of the carry over players. With that said 83, 23 and 89 need to go. This team will not move forward with these divas.
    How are santana moss and fred davis "divas" ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TD_washingtonredskins View Post
    I think you underrate the opportunity to improve the D with later picks and modest FA acquisitions. I will stay patient for sure, but believe we can get our D to the middle of the pack even without 1st rounders. We could also see organic improvement on th team as well.
    I agree with you especially regarding FA and if a good D player is on the cusp of choosing between us and someone else I believe the draw of RGIII will sway them here.

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    Default Re: Why we can't compete until 2014 at the earliest. Maybe 2015. All through little fault of our own.

    The story of the Redskins. Excuses, excuses and more excuses.

    Is this thread even made if Moss don't fumble late AGAIN? Or if we don't have a meltdown late in the Rams game?
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    Default Re: Why we can't compete until 2014 at the earliest. Maybe 2015. All through little fault of our own.

    Great points - I hate Mara and his puppet for doing this to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TD_washingtonredskins View Post
    I think you underrate the opportunity to improve the D with later picks and modest FA acquisitions. I will stay patient for sure, but believe we can get our D to the middle of the pack even without 1st rounders. We could also see organic improvement on th team as well.
    What are you improving but depth in reality there TD_w?

    Is Gomes starting quality? Crawford? Bernstein? Docherty? The lower down you go, the more chances are your picking up depth guys. We need quality starting guys back there. First and at worst second round quality guys. And at least 3 if not all 4 of them IMHO.

    As good as Griff and the O is, it's gona' be another few season's before we can seriously give the D the pieces to keep up with them and stop undoing their great work.

    Hail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbs Hog Heaven View Post
    What are you improving but depth in reality there TD_w?

    Is Gomes starting quality? Crawford? Bernstein? Docherty? The lower down you go, the more chances are your picking up depth guys. We need quality starting guys back there. First and at worst second round quality guys. And at least 3 if not all 4 of them IMHO.

    As good as Griff and the O is, it's gona' be another few season's before we can seriously give the D the pieces to keep up with them and stop undoing their great work.

    Hail.
    So...then it's on the regime for not drafting guys to put us over the top.

    If this is the case, then Shanny is a failure
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    Default Re: Why we can't compete until 2014 at the earliest. Maybe 2015. All through little fault of our own.

    It's premature to say the Redskins won't have a first round pick next year or the year after.

    They could package their picks for one. Someone could look at Kirk Cousins, see visions of Brett Favre dancing in their heads and trade for him. They could trade their 2013 2nd for a 2014 1st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 View Post
    So...then it's on the regime for not drafting guys to put us over the top.

    If this is the case, then Shanny is a failure
    And not being able to add through FA two years on the bounce, through no fault of his own, seriously setting him back would be on him and make him a failure too huh?

    Hail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff View Post
    We're competing this year. With RG3, we're in any/every game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Warhead36 View Post
    With RG3 we can compete this year.
    Superficially.

    We're in games thanks to Robert's genius. But we aren't seriously competing for anyhing thanks to a lack of talent on the other side of the ball.

    And if RGIII has a down game, we've nothing else.

    Hail.
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