Realistically, how is Mike doing on building the roster?

[Boss_Hogg]

I think some of you fail to remember just how bad that 2009 roster was. The Redskins were essentially an expansion team in 2010, there was little if any talent on both sides of the ball.

[Oldfan]

Robert Griffin III
Alfred Morris
Ryan Kerrigan
Trent Williams
Brian Orakpo
Pierre Garcon
Fred Davis





My list of current core players.

Davis and Orakpo may not come back from surgery to full strength. Garcon may need surgery on the ligament damage.

I'm trying to be more realistic than we have been in the past in compiling this list.

[authentic]

I think some of you fail to remember just how bad that 2009 roster was. The Redskins were essentially an expansion team in 2010, there was little if any talent on both sides of the ball.

I make this point often... Furthermore, i really don't think the issues with the team this year has ALL to do with talent.

[DC9]

I think a rebuild adds talent when the opportunity to add talent arises.

I agree with this. You also need to look at it as, "who would want to play for the Redskins in 2010-2011?"

1. 2010 was probably the worst free agency class in the history of the league. All of the franchise tenders made that year a debacle. I think by bringing in McNabb, Shanny was trying to make DC more attractive as a destination for players. He knew JCam wouldn't get it done and he also knew we couldn't trade up to get Bradford. That said, it didn't work.

2. 2011 was similar, but there was a little bit more out there, but the concentrated offseason due to the lockout made it difficult.

3. 2012, we trade up for the #2 pick and we get Garcon and Morgan right off the bat (granted, we did slightly overpay for Garcon in my opinion, especially since he can't get on the field now). We would've had more had the cap penalty not bit us in the ass. But as you said, now that we have a Quarterback who has shown he is legit, we may get a break from people who may want to come play for RG3 as opposed to overpaying them to come here.

So, we'll have to see how the guys on IR this year pan out, hopefully Neild comes back healthy, we can get Tanard Jackson eligible, and we can draft a couple of DBs and linemen who can produce and provide depth next year and we'll be right there to fight for the division in my opinion. With most of our squad on the right side of 30.

[Oldfan]

I think some of you fail to remember just how bad that 2009 roster was. The Redskins were essentially an expansion team in 2010, there was little if any talent on both sides of the ball.

I think you are exaggerating, but it doesn't matter. The group found four core players off the 2009 roster. We are only counting core players.

[DC9]

I think you are exaggerating, but it doesn't matter. The group found four core players off the 2009 roster. We are only counting core players.

Can you really count Cooley as a core player. I mean, he didn't even make the team this season (three years from 2009). So can't you retroactively remove him and say it was three?

[Oldfan]

I agree with this. You also need to look at it as, "who would want to play for the Redskins in 2010-2011?"

Cofield and Bowen did because we paid them.

2011 was similar, but there was a little bit more out there, but the concentrated offseason due to the lockout made it difficult.

True.

2012, we trade up for the #2 pick and we get Garcon and Morgan right off the bat (granted, we did slightly overpay for Garcon in my opinion, especially since he can't get on the field now). We would've had more had the cap penalty not bit us in the ass. But as you said, now that we have a Quarterback who has shown he is legit, we may get a break from people who may want to come play for RG3 as opposed to overpaying them to come here.

True.

So, we'll have to see how the guys on IR this year pan out, hopefully Neild comes back healthy, we can get Tanard Jackson eligible, and we can draft a couple of DBs and linemen who can produce and provide depth next year and we'll be right there to fight for the division in my opinion. With most of our squad on the right side of 30.

We can always hope for the best.

[Boss_Hogg]

I think you are exaggerating, but it doesn't matter. The group found four core players off the 2009 roster. We are only counting core players.

Just my point. You can't build a 53 man roster and only dress 46 on game day with a core of four guys.

[kearney]

I would add Orakpo and Perry Riley to your list. I would add a few potentials as well, namely Garcon, Hankerson and Young. Fred Davis is iffy. He's a talent but he's got baggage.

You just saved me a bit of typing, agree 100%. You can't say people aren't "core" players just because they are currently injured. When healthy, Orakpo and Garcon are definitely core players

[Oldfan]

Can you really count Cooley as a core player. I mean, he didn't even make the team this season (three years from 2009). So can't you retroactively remove him and say it was three?

No. What we are doing is trying to compare our group's assessment at the time with our assessment now.

---------- Post added October-31st-2012 at 10:39 AM ----------

You just saved me a bit of typing, agree 100%. You can't say people aren't "core" players just because they are currently injured. When healthy, Orakpo and Garcon are definitely core players

If we are trying to be realistic, we can't assume that players off surgeries will return to full strength. Garcon's toe is as important to him as it was for Antonio Gates.

---------- Post added October-31st-2012 at 10:41 AM ----------

You just saved me a bit of typing, agree 100%. You can't say people aren't "core" players just because they are currently injured. When healthy, Orakpo and Garcon are definitely core players

If we are trying to be realistic, we can't assume that players off surgeries will return to full strength. Garcon's toe is as important to him as it was for Antonio Gates.

[SkinsFanMania]

Cofield and Bowen did because we paid them.

Cofield and Bowen were NOT Redskins in 2010-11. They were signed in 2011-12 and are currently in their 2nd year.

[Oldfan]

Just my point. You can't build a 53 man roster and only dress 46 on game day with a core of four guys.

You must be defining core player differently than I did in the OP.

[cphil006]

I make this point often... Furthermore, i really don't think the issues with the team this year has ALL to do with talent.

I think we lack talent at safety in conjunction with poor execution and poor defensive play-calling. that makes for a perfect storm of crappy pass-defense.

[Henry]

OF, I get why you are leaving injured players off. I figured it was something like that and that's fine. However, it's tough to blame Shanahan and Allen for players without a history of season-ending injuries suffering season-ending injuries. Those players were counted on to be core players, and they may be again. Perhaps we could add a 'maybe' category to further flesh out your anaylsis?

[Oldfan]

its also my opinion that Rak might be done, the position he plays and the injury he sustained is a very bad one. I forsee him having issues every year now with the peck injury and wouldnt be surprised if he tears it again next year.

Chris Samuels had similar surgery, rehabbed, then came back and tore another muscle -- maybe trying to compensate.