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4 Americans are dead during an attack on September 11 (more than 6 weeks ago) and we STILL don't have many of the facts. That is completely unacceptable.
Just today, this story leaked:
Why has none of this information been made public before? Any other memos/e-mails/discussions being held back?
Folks here can blame "Fox News", but the bigger issue is that most other news organizations have completely ignored this attack.
Well, it could be thy don't have all the facts as of yet, and it also could be that presenting the facts as they know them could compromise something else.
This is my problem with this whole post-Bengazi fistwaving.. We're in an unusual war against an unsual enemy.. we typicals out here are not going to understand it all, nor can we know it all... and most importantly, they can't tell us everything becaue of the ramifications it may have elsewhere. Loose lips don't need to sink ships anymore. facebook can do it instantly. Anything WE know, our enemy also knows, instantly.
This huge question should temper the demands for answers that may not be available as of yet, for many reasons.
You guys sound like truthers screaming cover-up.
I wonder, does all of this politically motivated bull**** help or hinder the mission of our military?
This game and those questions were asked before, and they didn't help then. But now that the roles are reversed, no one seems to remember that.
Disunity favors the enemy
And the enemy seems to know that.
We don't because we're too ignorant and self righteous to give a ****.
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Hell at the hight of the Vietnam war our embassy in Vietnam was assulted and comprimised by fewer VC than the Bengahzi consulate faced.... None of that should be news to you.
The mainstream media has covered this story and doesn't think new information is coming to light while fox news is manufacturing headlines and obfuscating what really happenned.
Originally Posted by Fox News, Gretta Van Susteren
Last edited by JMS; November-1st-2012 at 09:44 AM.
I noticed last night on Greta Sustren that they were doubling down on the Bengazi "story" and I think it's to deflect Christie's thanks to the President and his willingness to work in a true bipartisan manner during a disaster that's affecting millions of our Americans.
But you know, they are preaching to their particular choir.
Independents, being independent, are watching other things going on, like the disaster. And maybe Romney's frequent denouncing of FEMA, except for his flip flop today in which he now embraces FEMA.
So tell me, those who embrace the view that Federal government should be smaller and we should all just fend for ourselves, how many of you and yours were affected by this storm or if you would be affected by a future storm where you lose everything and yet you don't expect the Federal government to come in and get basic services like power, sewage, running water, roads, etc. up and running. Or are the states and individuals just supposed to suck it up and do everything themselves?
Did you answer my Reid question: Yes/NoJMS: You want to criticize Obama... you don't have to make things up... hit him on the economy.. I think there is plenty there to criticize him on... I just don't see it here. Frankly I think the Republicans trying to make something of this, impacts there credibility.
Did one of the people that came from Tripoli (now end up at the Annex) from the beginning: Yes/No
You again slid sideways on my quotes of you and only answer what you want leaving out large chunks.
Okay I'm done, I believe if you read JSM's timeline and Republican punk quote and my responses I think i'm being more honest. I'll wait another week before revisiting this travesty.
The Below post is the JMS we know and love. Timeline turned into : George Bush/Dick Cheney
Last edited by Thiebear; November-1st-2012 at 10:16 AM.
I absolutely think Fox News is trying to manufacture controversy here. I absolutely think Gretta Van Susteren's comments above is a liscense and excuse to knowingly lie to their audience who from my perspective already have a loose hold on reality to begin with. I think the entire outrage is fueled by hearing misleading facts, and manufactured facts which is shame on Fox News... but beyond that it's fueled by a willfull denial of what every one of these delusional Foxbot's should know very very well; That it takes time to uncover what occured... Not 1-2 weeks time, but months; That is reasonable... Took us decades to hear from Sec Def, Robert MacNamera that the Gulf of Tonkin attacks on the USS Maddox and USS Turner Joy August 4th 1964 never actually occured.... The attacks which were used at the time to pass the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution which justified the entire US involvement in the Vietnam war leading to tens of thousands of American deaths....
It took years for George W. Bush to admit that Iraq was not behind 9/11. Had nothing to do with 9/11; which he only did after we have invaded Iraq...Originally Posted by Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense in 1964
For years after 9/11/2001 Bush associated Iraq to the 9/11 attacks..
US Invades Iraq March 19, 2003 ...
So much so that months after we invaded 70% of the US Public believed Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks;
But they were wrong.
September 17, 2003
President Bush, having repeatedly linked Saddam Hussein to the terrorist organization behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, said yesterday there is no evidence that the deposed Iraqi leader had a hand in those attacks, in contrast to the belief of most Americans.
It took nearly a decade for Dick Cheney to admit that Iraq was not behind 9/11..
June 14 2004
Vice President Dick Cheney said Thursday the evidence is "overwhelming" that al Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq, and he said media reports suggesting that the 9/11 commission has reached a contradictory conclusion were "irresponsible."
Former Vice President Dick Cheney says there was “never any evidence” that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq played any role in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.
Yet there is a conspiracy and coverup because Obama administration didn't know exactly who did what 10 days after Bengahzi?
Last edited by JMS; November-1st-2012 at 10:24 AM.
I would like to hear someone articulate what Obama did in connection with the Bengazi raid that was wrong?
"Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle." -Abraham Lincoln
Totally forgot the other go to: "It's all Bush's fault"
Pretty sure Bush got totally blasted for what he did, am I wrong?
Last edited by Predicto; November-1st-2012 at 12:04 PM.
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I'll grant that the MMQBing of the military options is still a little grasping in the dark at this point, but will eventually come to light, but why the necessity for cover early, and why the stonewalling now?
The truth of the matter is we simply don't know yet what happened and if there is blame to be doled out to State, the WH or whomever was involved we simply have to let the truth come forward. To dismiss this as something that's manufactured by Fox OR to also condemn Obama both seem like foolishness to me or at the very least incredibly immature and premature. We simply don't know. None of you do.
In a land of freedom we are held hostage by the tyranny of political correctness. ~RGIII~
That's the question I would like you to take an honest stab at. Tell us what you thnk you know, and source it... Then in a few weeks or month we can see how it sorts out with what we find out.. I've given you what I consider to be a decent timeline from what I consider to be a reputable source, even though the source is owned by the same guy who owns Fox news, which I struggle to consider a reputable source.
I think it's a perfectly valid point and I agree drawing historical comparisons is a typical JMS technique when I'm trying to figure out if a Presidential behavior is reasonable..
And I evidenly do so across party lines because in 2003 I was a life long republican who had never voted for a Democrat for public office in my life... Kerry was my first, and he was a protest vote reaction to Bush having taken 3 years to come clean on 9/11.
Last edited by JMS; November-1st-2012 at 01:08 PM.
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