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    Quote Originally Posted by Chump Bailey View Post
    It will take some shrewd maneuvering by Allen and Mike to improve the team to a level we would like. The cap situation, extending Davis?, etc...

    I'd love to get Bowe, but feel Garcon is their WR1 choice. I cannot see them spending WR1 type money in the offseason. That money will go to the CB position in all likelihood.
    I think it should be determined by who is available. The BPA concept works in both draft and free agency. Okay to stretch a little for need but not too far.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    If your strategy is to pick higher in the 2nd round then disregarding defense would be the way to go. I agree there are issues still with the Offense. Davis may not be able to return to form next year and the young WR group hasn't been proven yet. Skins could easily use a TE, an upgrade at RT, and a more legit #2 WR. The Offense would be better but we'd still lose 10+ games.

    I think the Skins will be best served by acquiring more talent on defense. First, Skins aren't going to switch back to the 4-3 because we don't have the draft picks or free agent money to completely revamp the Defense. It's easier to improve upon what we have than to tear it down and build from scratch. Since there are so many needs it's probably best to stick fairly closely to BPA (except for QBs). If Shanny gets a new DC (I don't think he will) it will be done immediately after the end of the season and the new DC will have time to participate in the draft and player acquisition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDawg View Post
    To be fair...

    There are only a handful of #1's in the NFL: Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, AJ Green, Calvin Johnson, Reggie Wayne and MAYBE Brandon Marshall.

    Getting a #1 receiver would be a major luxury unless come draft time the BPA is a guy we think could be a #1 receiver, and it's not likely to happen in round 2.
    Vincent Jackson was a second round pick; Marshall was a fourth round pick. I agree, though it's not likely to get a #1 WR or a number one CB in the second round. But those acquistions would help us most, I think.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    Get a RT and Dwayne Bowe (or the like).

    Spend the rest on defense.
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    I would focus more on the defensive side of the ball when it comes to free agency and drafting, and it's just not the secondary but the whole defense in itself that needs to be looked at. Getting Rak back will help, but I think that the first big change should come at coordinator and then go from there. If we do look at offense, the depth along the oline needs to be looked at and maybe a receiver, but that would not be high on my list. Isn't it nice not to have to finally worry about qb and rb going into the offseason now! Hail

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    We have a potential Franchise QB, he will make it work, with just about anyone ... .

    Brady? He made Givens, he's making Hernandez, Gronk, and he made Branch. You give him a Moss ... ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. But he won 3 Super bowls with no real supporting cast on O.

    Brees? Colston is a great story ... without Brees he's not a pro bowler. I firmly belive that. I bet that Graham is no better than Winslow or Shockey on any other team with an average QB.

    Manning? Don't get me started ... sure Reggie and Marvin were all world, and it is no surprise he did what he did with them, but the other guys? Gonzalez? Clark? If you gave Peyton anyone at WR he still would have killed, maybe not at the sick level he did with Reggie and Marvin, but he would have killed. Look at what he's doing with Decker and the other kid.

    Eli? Cruz woudl not be Cruz any where else ... look at Steve Smith? Manningham, Kevin Boss? They are not half the receivers they were in NY.

    Romo? You put Ogletree, Austin and Robinson on any other team ... they are not the same. In fact Robinson has less catches this year so far than he did TD's last year.

    QB makes everyone better ...

    so, hell no! we need D help, and we need it ASAP. Robert will take care of the rest.
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    I think it should be determined by who is available. The BPA concept works in both draft and free agency. Okay to stretch a little for need but not too far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gortiz View Post
    ...QB makes everyone better ...
    True, but it's also true that everyone makes the QB better. That's because of that interaction called teamwork.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    Eh...I think the biggest offensive hole is RT, and that's pretty much it.

    What are the offensive positions and are they set for us?
    QB: Set
    RB: Morris as power/workhorse back, Helu as speed back (when healthy)
    OL: Williams is set; Lich has earned another year; Monty has quietly been solid; Chester is iffy, but his heir apparent is probably on the roster already (LeRib, or Hurt); the only spot in desperate need of a shift is RT.
    WR: Assuming we let Moss and Banks go, we'd have Garcon, Morgan, Hankerson, Briscoe, and Robinson. We'll add someone, but it'll probably be developmental depth, unless we decide to go all in for Bowe or something.
    TE: Fred Davis is a solid #1, Paulson has been surprisingly competent as a #2, Paul is still developing.
    FB: Young is solid.

    The only major weak spot right now is RT, with the second weak spot probably being RG, but we've got developing options there.

    We could see an upgrade from a big solid WR, but I think, in terms of W/L, the gains from focusing heavily on defense will far outweigh the gains from focusing on offense, so long as we still address RT.

    Quote Originally Posted by KDawg View Post
    To be fair...

    There are only a handful of #1's in the NFL: Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, AJ Green, Calvin Johnson, Reggie Wayne and MAYBE Brandon Marshall.

    Getting a #1 receiver would be a major luxury unless come draft time the BPA is a guy we think could be a #1 receiver, and it's not likely to happen in round 2.
    At this point in their careers, I would probably rank Marshall ahead of Wayne, but that's an opinion thing.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    Quote Originally Posted by bradboyd80 View Post
    We're already a top 7 offense though. Number three overall in total yds, 6th in yds/gm and 7th in points/gm; and in the top 10 in most other categories (including 4th in yds/reception and 2nd in yds/pass attempt).

    I do agree to some extent though. Rodgers has had a terrible D behind him for years and they still find themselves winning double digit games. If RG3 had half the playmakers that Rodgers has, we would be walking away from teams early and often.

    Edit: I know Bowe is somewhat of a headcase, but I'd like to see him in the B&G. I think Shanahan can get him to buy into the system. With Bowe, Garcon, Davis, and Moss in the slot, we'd be scary.
    Packers have Charles Woodson AJ Hawk, Clay Matthews and BJ Raji. Granted their D isn't that great, it isn't as bad as some of ya'll make it out to be. Those are so top notch players. Game changers. We have no one like that on our D.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    I 'd have to lean on the 'no' side of this debate. The offense has already picked up quite a bit from last year, and with RGIII, a healthy Morris, Garcon, and Davis, along with complimentary help from other receivers who learn to CATCH the ball, the offense will be fine.
    From the damage that Haslett has done to the defense, that side of the ball needs much more help, mostly in the secondary. Once the the defense begins to come around, and the offense is scoring points and we begin to look like a threat, players will be looking to come here; and with Danny's wallet opened wide, its an even more attractive picture, and the choices will be more plentiful.

    There are alot of players who are looking to get paid who don't deserve it, and we've gone through quite a few receivers in the last few years, so its time to beef up the defense a little, IMO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogofWar1 View Post
    Eh...I think the biggest offensive hole is RT, and that's pretty much it.

    What are the offensive positions and are they set for us?
    QB: Set
    RB: Morris as power/workhorse back, Helu as speed back (when healthy)
    OL: Williams is set; Lich has earned another year; Monty has quietly been solid; Chester is iffy, but his heir apparent is probably on the roster already (LeRib, or Hurt); the only spot in desperate need of a shift is RT.
    WR: Assuming we let Moss and Banks go, we'd have Garcon, Morgan, Hankerson, Briscoe, and Robinson. We'll add someone, but it'll probably be developmental depth, unless we decide to go all in for Bowe or something.
    TE: Fred Davis is a solid #1, Paulson has been surprisingly competent as a #2, Paul is still developing.
    FB: Young is solid.

    The only major weak spot right now is RT, with the second weak spot probably being RG, but we've got developing options there.

    We could see an upgrade from a big solid WR, but I think, in terms of W/L, the gains from focusing heavily on defense will far outweigh the gains from focusing on offense, so long as we still address RT.
    I like your breakdown. I agree that RT is an area of need, but Polumbus has been good, not great. Yes, I would upgrade from him if I could, but I don't think it's dire. I think Chester has quietly put together a good season. I like the youngsters we got.

    I'm not sure if I want to go after Bowe or not. I'd like to see what else is out there before committing a ton of money to him.

    I'd go NT with our 2nd round pick and then BPA with the other picks, concentrating on defense, but mixing in a couple of offensive guys. In reality, I can see Allen maybe trading up with some of the picks, because I'm not so sure all 8 picks would make the team. 10 picks made the team the year before and then all the picks made the team this year. So I'm not sure if there's room on the roster for that many picks. You may see us leverage our way back into the 1st round if there is a player we really like.

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    And some of you keep including Moss next year. I think this is his last year with the team and it wouldn't surprise me to see Robinson take over the slot next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gortiz View Post
    Romo? You put Ogletree, Austin and Robinson on any other team ... they are not the same. In fact Robinson has less catches this year so far than he did TD's last year.
    I was right there with you until you got to Romo. Every once in awhile, he'll use his mobility to make something out of nothing, but other then that, he's just not all that good.
    I see him as about equal to Rex Grossman. Very similar player.
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    I would rather us spend big money on proven players in the secondary and the offensive line, and draft a receiver in the 2-4 rounds to add to our depth.

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